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Why don't yall 2TC?

Andrew said:
@gcr0003 @phatkaw

What issue would the stiffener solve or make easier in your mind? Advancing the tether on large trees?
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I don’t think a purely stiff rope will solve anything for me. It may make progressing the tether up a little easier (particularly on larger trees) which would just benefit efficiency. Ideally it would be a tether you could move up one handed similar to how easy you can move them down one handed. I think it needs to open on its own, I also think flat webbing 1.75-2” with a softener might be the ticket.
 
Andrew said:
@gcr0003 @phatkaw

What issue would the stiffener solve or make easier in your mind? Advancing the tether on large trees?
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I've grown to like stiffer rope for tethers.
I one-stick and 2TC a lot and stiffer ropes are way more better for that!

I have a bunch of awesome tethers that are made of nice soft rope that pack up great but they suck for climbing!
They get hung up on bark all the time and aren't as easily flipped up a big tree...
 
I really like a stiff tether for the top tether especially. I have not tried in on the foot tether since I like the Blakes and have thought up to this point that the Blake's might not work too well on the stiff rope like C-IV. May have to tie one and see.
 
Ok, I just realized I only have a short top tether out of C-IV. My 40-foot rappel rope is 9mm Canyon Elite. It is pretty supple. Blakes works on it.
 
Samcirrus said:
Gonna try the amsteel stiffener on my 7.9mm ultratech and the C-IV to compare, but that certainly looks stiff enough!
Do you put jut enough to cover the circumference of a large tree?
Also since I use John's maverick hitch to girth hitch the tree I leave a 30" tail at the beginning that isn't stiffened.
Plus everyone has amsteel laying around to try...
Also 1 major disadvantage i just thought of would be that Steel wire can rust after time especially if the rope ever gets wet!
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If using a friction hitch, the larger diameter of the stiffening needs to be long enough so that the hitch doesn’t reach the smaller size of original rope, most hitches don’t self correct from large to smaller diameters. The end of the tether needs to be flexible to tie a stopper, I didn’t do that on the orange rope.

UltraTech is one of the few cords that has a cover that expands enough to hold the two diameters of core of a splice, and the cover. It would probably need a fairly large inner core to stiffen it up.
 
gcr0003 said:
I don’t think a purely stiff rope will solve anything for me. It may make progressing the tether up a little easier (particularly on larger trees) which would just benefit efficiency. Ideally it would be a tether you could move up one handed similar to how easy you can move them down one handed. I think it needs to open on its own, I also think flat webbing 1.75-2” with a softener might be the ticket.
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Andrew said:
@gcr0003 @phatkaw

What issue would the stiffener solve or make easier in your mind? Advancing the tether on large trees?
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So with the steel spring wire, it really acts like a spring as soon as I grab the knot of my maverick hitch I can one-handed move the tether up the tree, and if larger than 20" or so, i can just put my fingers under, not inside, and float up the tether. It doesn't catch on loose bark anymore.
 
Samcirrus said:
So with the steel spring wire, it really acts like a spring as soon as I grab the knot of my maverick hitch I can one-handed move the tether up the tree, and if larger than 20" or so, i can just put my fingers under, not inside, and float up the tether. It doesn't catch on loose bark anymore.
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Can you make me one??
 
Scentlok Saddlepants said:
Can you make me one??
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Well, I'm sure I could, but you can too....
Brocky made some with amsteel so I'm gonna try that and compare the 2, but if you really want just buy a coil of wire like this....
Or get some 3mm amsteel and try with that... Then get an old section of rope you're gonna use and practice like I showed in my video....
 
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Brocky said:
If using a friction hitch, the larger diameter of the stiffening needs to be long enough so that the hitch doesn’t reach the smaller size of original rope, most hitches don’t self correct from large to smaller diameters. The end of the tether needs to be flexible to tie a stopper, I didn’t do that on the orange rope.

UltraTech is one of the few cords that has a cover that expands enough to hold the two diameters of core of a splice, and the cover. It would probably need a fairly large inner core to stiffen it up.
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My friction hitch has had no trouble going up and down over the wire termination point so far....but the wire i used was about 0.060". What is the final diameter difference of the rope after using the amsteel?
 
Samcirrus said:
Well, I'm sure I could, but you can too....
Brocky made some with amsteel so I'm gonna try that and compare the 2, but if you really want just buy a coil of wire like this....
Or get some 3mm amsteel and try with that... Then get an old section of rope you're gonna use and practice like I showed in my video....
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Oh I’m super interested in Brocky’s too, but I am very interested in a tether with some spring open force for advancing. Lots to play with in the off season
 
Brocky said:
I had some success stiffening up a tether by inserting some 4mm Amsteel into C-IV, it also increases the size from 9mm to about 10mm. Also put 3mm in the eye for some more firmness.
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How does this work, do you remove the core, put it in amsteel then put the jacket over that?
Or is the amsteel just stuffed inside as an extra core?
 
The core is braided and extracted, and the amsteel goes inside it.

There isn’t much strength loss when simply expanding rope, happens when slicing, up to the point of being rock hard.
 
What do I search for on YouTube ( or equivalent ) to see what is being done here?

I would like to either make a few sets of these for family and friends or buy them.
 
Center Punch said:
What do I search for on YouTube ( or equivalent ) to see what is being done here?

I would like to either make a few sets of these for family and friends or buy them.
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Video link is a few pages back....
"Best tether stiffener..."
 
What is the reason to use the Maverick hitch vs. a simple bow line or an every-day overhand type 'permanent' loop at the tag end and run the rest of the tether through it? ( I'm not interested in rappeling down right now )
 
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