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Why don't yall 2TC?

So… is it a pain to 2TC back down? Or you just rappel?
 
enkriss said:
So… is it a pain to 2TC back down? Or you just rappel?
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2TC down is extremely easy. The tethers natural fall down with minimal effort. It is a tad slower if you need to bypass a lot of limbs. In the case of a lot of limbs I will opt to rappel. 2TC down is so easy, some will still opt for it over rappelling when one sticking I.e. one stick up, 2TC down.
 
gcr0003 said:
2TC down is extremely easy. The tethers natural fall down with minimal effort. It is a tad slower if you need to bypass a lot of limbs. In the case of a lot of limbs I will opt to rappel. 2TC down is so easy, some will still opt for it over rappelling when one sticking I.e. one stick up, 2TC down.
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I can think of no sane reasoning that would arrive at that decision.
 
dalton916 said:
I can think of no sane reasoning that would arrive at that decision.
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If you don't want to carry 40' of rope which takes up a not insignificant amount of space. If you're 1-sticking you're already carrying a tether and linesman's belt which can be a foot tether. If I were walking 3+ miles into a place I probably wouldn't carry the rapel rope unless I knew I was going to need it.
 
dalton916 said:
I can think of no sane reasoning that would arrive at that decision.
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If you're a stubborn old school rappeler and don't want to use an exploding hitch, sometimes the effort, time, and noise folks make to get their rappel rope out of the tree is equal to a climb down.... or even the climb of shame to make it more releasable and a second rappel, plus the time packing up your potentially muddy or snowy rope after it hits the ground.....plus the aforementioned weight and bulk penalty....
All of those things make 2TC back down a limbless tree a very attractive alternative.
 
dalton916 said:
Like I said, no sane reasoning.

My Oplux rappel rope fits in the palm of my hand and I hang from it. I will be on the ground with rappel rope stowed before you make the first move.
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Yes, I agree that a perfect rappel and rope release will beat a 2TC climb down every time....but a hiccup or 2 and likely not.
 
Samcirrus said:
Yes, I agree that a perfect rappel and rope release will beat a 2TC climb down every time....but a hiccup or 2 and likely not.
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The few times I have attempted to employ rappel to my 2tc setup it has been all hiccup, and that has been in the comfort of my own yard.
 
Samcirrus said:
If you're a stubborn old school rappeler and don't want to use an exploding hitch, sometimes the effort, time, and noise folks make to get their rappel rope out of the tree is equal to a climb down.... or even the climb of shame to make it more releasable and a second rappel, plus the time packing up your potentially muddy or snowy rope after it hits the ground.....plus the aforementioned weight and bulk penalty....
All of those things make 2TC back down a limbless tree a very attractive alternative.
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I think a lot of people's reluctance to try exploding hitches is the name. Would you buy an exploding saddle or and exploding carabiner and use it for life support, lol.
 
@dalton916
I think others have already responded well but you know me I love to get a word or two in.

There has been thread after thread recently of people talking about ditching rappelling and going back to climbing down with their sticks. They have cited reasons such as too much stuff, too much noise, too cumbersome, too expensive, as well as a pain to pull down from the tree. They have ditched rappelling and went back to simpler option. Please explain to me why this is any different for someone choosing to 2TC down. Speed is not the only factor in consideration and those annoyances do exist for rappelling. How much those factors matter depends on the individual, their set up, their skill level, and their wants and needs.

So yes the time to only descend the tree may be quicker but you can’t look at the side effects of 2TC in an unbiased manner without also acknowledging the side effects of rappelling.

My first year of 2TC i exclusively rappelled. This year I exclusively climbed down 2TC. Both methods are viable and have pros and cons. But to say that this climbing method lacks sanity because you don’t like it, can’t do it, or don’t understand its allure is not a discussion had in good faith.
 
On the contrary, I didn’t say it lacked sanity.

You love 2TC. You take offense when someone doesn’t agree with you. That’s awesome, keep up the good work and fight the good fight when there isn’t even a fight to be fought.

Again, I (that’s me, btw) can think of no sane logic that would result in a decision to 2TC down a tree instead of rappelling.
 
dalton916 said:
On the contrary, I didn’t say it lacked sanity.

You love 2TC. You take offense when someone doesn’t agree with you. That’s awesome, keep up the good work and fight the good fight when there isn’t even a fight to be fought.

Again, I (that’s me, btw) can think of no sane logic that would result in a decision to 2TC down a tree instead of rappelling.
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Logical reasons not to rappel...i dont have a 40 foot rope that i dont need,carying à 40 foot rope i dont need.metal rapel devices i dont need.back up devices i dont need .hell lets just add à tetherd 1 stick i dont need.....à tree stand i dont need.mabe a safety harnesd and an extra wife.....having extra needs is called a handycap. Rappeling is faster and spooks more deer than hunting from the ground.plus Chics are not impressed by getting it done faster.they are not impressed with dudes who need extra help to get it done.they like the dudes who can get it done with what they got.lets not pretend like we aint here to impress chics....through out all of history no bow hunter has ever needed 40 feet of oplux to harvest game acording to logic.hunters wearhouse dont even stock rope
.ask Fred Bear.....ladies love him.....2 tether or die.....lonely...i love this game
 
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Again (yet again…), you are 100% free to do as you wish and I, again that’s me, will do as I see fit.

“Rappelling spooks deer”……have you killed a deer mid 2TC climb down? I’ve killed a deer mid rappel. Even went so far as to rappel down a few extra feet for a clear shooting lane.
 
Got me there. A bit antidotal but i got an elk eating starburst on a stump.and got a buck crossing the road.maybe hanging in the tree is not logical.we should all shoot while rappelling or it dont count.i mean my budy rests his rifle on his beer can out the window of his truck and kills more deer than anyone i know.he thinks that every peice of sliver slingin gear is for idiots .tells me all the time my bow is stupid ,what you think you are an indian go whear à camo loin cloth.my camo is stupid ,my hiking gear is stupid,and my climbing gear.....5 double O stupid.why you climb trees dumby....the deer aint in the trees.just go get one.i say dude ...your just à road hunter....he says they gotta cross the road dumby......huh?
 
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