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2023: Tethrd Ultralock Saddle (Formerly, the LockDown)

enkriss said:
It’s patented by tethrd

uspto.report

Safety Harness Assembly Patent Application

U.S. Patent Application 20200398088 for Safety Harness Assembly
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That's right. Jamie came out with his and they contacted him to mention they filed a patent application for the same thing but were cool about him going forward with it or something like that.
 
I do like the concept but for some reason it’s a no. Not sure about stick attachment and layering clothes. Still interesting for sure.
 
enkriss said:
The permanently attached pouches make it a hard pass from me.

WHY????

They go from pushing everything needs to be modular to this?
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But @enkriss the beauty of the pouches are that they added hard plastic frame to them so they stay stiff and open. If they are then permanently attached to the saddle they will act just like the HPR system that TX5 applied for a patent for. In my opinion this was strategic but Matthew could still claim doctrine of equity and file a cease and desist to have the inner suppor from the side pouches removed or have the side pouches made removable so they aren’t supporting the hip area from closing. All of it is just new ways to do the same thing while avoiding patents
 
enkriss said:
The permanently attached pouches make it a hard pass from me.

WHY????

They go from pushing everything needs to be modular to this?
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Dolla dolla bills, y'all. The modular market is saturated, convincing everyone this is the next thing they need will keep the cash flow going. It's pretty smart financially if they get their hype machine to pull it off.


Elastic is a wear item. They'll sell more saddles after the elastic wears out a few seasons in and people "need" replacements.
 
thedutchtouch said:
Dolla dolla bills, y'all. The modular market is saturated, convincing everyone this is the next thing they need will keep the cash flow going. It's pretty smart financially if they get their hype machine to pull it off.


Elastic is a wear item. They'll sell more saddles after the elastic wears out a few seasons in and people "need" replacements.
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If they kept things modular, and offered this new saddle without the pouches then people would just be able to transfer their current dump/roll pouches from their current saddle to the lockdown. This way they get to charge more $ by not giving the consumer the choice. I am looking forward to seeing some review videos come out on YT that cover this thing in better detail than the Tethrd video. I am considering upgrading from my phantom, but the price tag on this one would be a hard pill to swallow. I will probably buy from another company for my next saddle.
 
Tethrd saddles have always been marketed to/for people who know little about hunting from a saddle. This seems no different to me. They will convince these same people that this is the best set up (lightest weight, most mobile, most comfortable, all-in-one package, most mobile, etc). Those people will have to find out through their own experiences whether it lives up the hype. Next year they'll create something new to market to the next batch of unsuspecting saddle noobs. Pleated saddles are wildy comfortable, hopefully this will be no different. As far as the bags go, I try to eliminate anything from my sides to avoid hitting them with my string. I've even gone away from large LB loops. Lastly, I do not want to be wearing suspenders all day in the saddle. How does this effect layering in cold weather? It seems like it would cause additional annoyances.
 
I’ve made it rather clear how much disdain I have for tethrd, as a company, but I’m not to prideful to say that I like the design of this particular saddle. I like the lockdown pockets, especially. The elastic bottom panel might be a PIA maybe, if you go from standing to sitting and back and forth- you’ll always be effing with it, I’m thinking. With that said, it doesn’t solve any problems for my current Method 2 setup, and for that matter, I don’t have any complaints with my method 2, now that I’ve switched to a tubular webbing bridge and added suspenders. So the LockDown is something I have no use for.


Semper Fi,
Mike
 
While the overall design is interesting, I don't like that there are zero options. You are gonna have to pay $400 for a saddle with a bunch of crap you probably won't need or want.

The "yoke system" (let's face it, they are suspenders) is nothing but an after thought. Once you put a bit of stuff in the pouches, the saddle is gonna sag like a babys 3 day old diaper. Nothing but a stop gap attempt to cover design flaws, IMO

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My local shops carries Tethrd, so I'll be interested to get it on and see how it feels. MIGHT be a winner, even with the "yoke" and attached pouches. Looks interesting.
 
Maybe it’s me, but I literally just don’t understand this saddle. I remain a Tethrd agnostic who appreciates certain of their gear and can leave the rest for YouTubers, and I’m not throwing a golden shower when I opine that it’s almost like the history of the saddle industry threw up on Carl’s sewing machine (I don’t know that makes it an all-out miss, or that I fault him personally for that). Like an award-winning chef couldn’t edit their seasoning and ingredients and nobody wanted to admit…it tastes a bit salty and the main protein is hidden by the sauce. I will say, I think the attached pocket system is interesting for one reason: it’s harder than hell to get into your jacket pockets sometimes while wearing a saddle. It’s probably the biggest downside to saddle usage, and there are various hacks to address it. This seems like one of those hacks tbh. But if you’re in the saddle-selling market, you’re not going to tell people they might have a hard time jacket-using while saddle-hunting. Other than that, I’m completely at a loss for how this fits either the Tethrd brand mantras or the benefits of using any/this saddle over something like a deluxe HSS harness (and let’s not even touch on the price differential between harnesses, saddles, and this thing now) or finding a used OG Trophyline. I can’t imagine wearing this under a heavy pack, or somehow layering with it. I do believe there is a specific kind of hunter that would like this design. And they’ll like it way too much. Awesome, then Tethrd will sell a mess of them and shut up, me. Or, it will go the way of the Yarak and we won’t even shoot a flaming arrow at its funeral boat before it hits the waterfall (sorry Yarak, I really was rooting for you).
 
I think the semi-rigid pockets would be well received if detachable. Conceptually, they could be a step up in certain applications and they look nicely designed.

I also think I understand why they made them permanent, but it makes for a very specific use/style.

High Speed Low Drag is what they keep harping on.

This seems intended to support that model by eliminating a backpack. A just put this on, walk to the tree, and hunt mentality.

It might work out for 2TC and ROS. If it supports as well as a battle belt, given the yoke suspender, perhaps it'd support a 1 stick setup well enough.

But it starts to take a step backwards when you add the predator pack and walks back further when you add sticks which is where the majority lies.

I guess you could shoulder sling some ONE sticks. And for those with good range of motion reach over the back to pull out a Predator. Idk, at that point one is probably better served by a backpack.

I don't think the price is so out of whack as folks make it out to be.

Much of what it is intended to do can be had in a battle belt and MTP style yoke. The LokDown just looks to do away with the belt. But, those belts have a functional advantage in weight transfer that I think this saddle system won't.

I bet they'd sell a lot of those structured pouches though, as an acessory.

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I want to see this in person when I go to the outdoor show this year in Harrisburg. I like the idea of the fixed pouch as I don't particularly care for saddle bags. However, if you want to add a layer or coat in the tree, which is what I do, it seems nearly impossible. Additionally, the price point knocks me out of the market from the jump.
 
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