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2tc vs one sticking

If you get together a group of people who have never climbed with any method, and you had them try one-sticking and 2TC, the one-sticking would be the easiest for them to figure out. If you had multiple sticks, they would catch on to that method before either of the other two.
 
And they can still have a kickout or slip that ends in an injury...or simply drop the stick when disconnectong and reconecting it 15 feet up which is 2 exstra steps in the method.a person can learn to use single strap on steps without guidence or injuries but most would rather risk it and carry bulky clangy gouging sticks to simply not have to connect the exstra more packable straps..I showed a 19 year old with no exsperiance the 2tc method One time and he said he would never climb any other way.he made it look simple and efficiant.....antidotal....maybe ....still it makes a big difference when some one with exsperiance walks you through it and exsplains the ropes, measurements and adjustments.problem is people are just learning it on thier own without guidence. Still it is safer and some just learn faster than others.2tc. Is litteraly like walking up a tree and sure nobody learned to walk in one day ....but 1 sticking is litteraly like needing a crutch that could hurt more if you fall on it
 
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With 2TC, you have to learn how to not have your foot kick out. And, you have to learn how to balance on one foot while moving your tether up the tree which may add to the complexity depending on the bark of the tree.
 
True....not a problem though after you learn it.and when you learn to leghook the tree you dont need to ballance you are locked to it.with one sticking you have to step up with both feet plus the aider and stick can still both kick out wich is dangerouse compaired to just sitting back in your saddle where you just was
 
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LAKY said:
With 2TC, you have to learn how to not have your foot kick out. And, you have to learn how to balance on one foot while moving your tether up the tree which may add to the complexity depending on the bark of the tree.
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You could just sit like you do 1-sticking. I have to admit I found 2tc super natural but that's just one dude who had previous climbing experience
 
Horn said:
You could just sit like you do 1-sticking.
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How do you sit when you have to move that tether up? You're applying pressure to it. You have to stand up to relieve the tension on the tether you're using for sitting.
 
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How do you sit when you have to move that tether up? You're applying pressure to it. You have to stand up to relieve the tension on the tether you're using for sitting.
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You are correct. My mistake
 
Come on guys. You have to admit climbing with a stick has a shorter learning curve. Bring a person who's never climbed before out to a tree and put a stick in front of them and two tethers. Ask them to climb up and grab that ribbon you tied at ten feet with whichever method they can figure out first.
 
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Come on guys. You have to admit climbing with a stick has a shorter learning curve. Bring a person who's never climbed before out to a tree and put a stick in front of them and two tethers. Ask them to climb up and grab that ribbon you tied at ten feet with whichever method they can figure out first.
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This is true...but tell them to go twenty feet then get back down and its just as much or more of a learning curve
..show them single strap on steps and a linemans belt and they dont even need to think while reducing risks.
 
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I am giving 2TC a try in certain situations this year. So far I have only been able to practice once and I realized I will need a lot more practice. A big advantage of one sticking for me is having a second smaller platform to minimize weak side shots.
 
It's basically the same movements between the 2. They both can induce too much slack with the nod going toward 1stick being more dangerous in that department....imo they both should be complimented with a linesman belt.
 
One of the reasons I've stuck with one sticking over 2tc is that I like having the option of keeping the stick on the opposite side of the tree from my platform to give me the ability to walk around the tree if I need to. That would be difficult to do with a second tether, I'd need to incorporate some separate steps with attachment to achieve this. For me the stick provides it basically free.

As far as the dropping the stick and being stranded argument . . . I've been one sticking with my current set up for 5 years now, that's easily over 500 climbs. I've dropped the stick exactly twice. First time I transitioned to my rappel setup and rappelled down and restarted my climb. The second time I just broke out the grapple line and fished the stick back up to continue on. Either way I was far from stranded in the tree. Just my experience.

Not knocking 2tc, I just don't personally feel a need to change what's working for me.
 
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