Amsteel

[redsquirrel]

If you guys want to try out the whoopie sling idea for a tether before you invest in amsteel, I think it should work with any hollow braided rope.

 

[kenn1320]

Im upgrading my sticks to Amsteel, so might as well order a few more feet for bridge and tether. Locally Im not sure Id find hollow braid rope much cheaper than the Amsteel .93 ft. Plus if you don't like it as a tether, you can undo the mods and its back to just a piece of rope.

 

[redsquirrel]

Im upgrading my sticks to Amsteel, so might as well order a few more feet for bridge and tether. Locally Im not sure Id find hollow braid rope much cheaper than the Amsteel .93 ft. Plus if you don't like it as a tether, you can undo the mods and its back to just a piece of rope.

Not that we all haven't already spent a boat load of money, but I just don't want anyone buying a bunch of amsteel to try this out on my recommendation without me having done much testing on it :lol:

 

[kenn1320]

OK, I measured one of my current stick ropes(which I have wished were about 8" longer sometimes) and tip of loop to end is 75.5" long. Looks like 6" will get you a nice loop with 3" of bury inside main rope. So Im looking at about 90" per stick.

Tether. I took a piece of clothes line rope(I use the term rope loosely) out to an oak in my yard. I feel at hunting height, this is the largest tree I will ever hunt out of, but surely will hunt out of skinnier ones. This tree at hair level is 64" diameter and I can just touch my fingers around it. I set up my current molle saddle with my feet on the ground. I ran the clothes line around the tree in the same manner Red did with a tag end of about 10" from synch loop and the other end down to where I would hook to my Bod. Yikes this super long rope was just long enough. It measured 185" long. I will need 1 loop spliced in the end for my carabiner to Bod connection and a simply overhand knot in the other end. Looks like 16ft will easily be enough. My current tether wasnt long enough, so I might just avoid trees that big. :lol:

So to do (5) sticks and a tether, and a bridge came out to 666.5" or 55.5ft. Im a bit concerned the total length almost came out to 666, not that Im superstitious or anything. :shock:

Red can you verify the diameter of your testing tree and the total length of your amsteel tether for kicks n grins?

 

[redsquirrel]

OK, I measured one of my current stick ropes(which I have wished were about 8" longer sometimes) and tip of loop to end is 75.5" long. Looks like 6" will get you a nice loop with 3" of bury inside main rope. So Im looking at about 90" per stick.

Tether. I took a piece of clothes line rope(I use the term rope loosely) out to an oak in my yard. I feel at hunting height, this is the largest tree I will ever hunt out of, but surely will hunt out of skinnier ones. This tree at hair level is 64" diameter and I can just touch my fingers around it. I set up my current molle saddle with my feet on the ground. I ran the clothes line around the tree in the same manner Red did with a tag end of about 10" from synch loop and the other end down to where I would hook to my Bod. Yikes this super long rope was just long enough. It measured 185" long. I will need 1 loop spliced in the end for my carabiner to Bod connection and a simply overhand knot in the other end. Looks like 16ft will easily be enough. My current tether wasnt long enough, so I might just avoid trees that big. :lol:

So to do (5) sticks and a tether, and a bridge came out to 666.5" or 55.5ft. Im a bit concerned the total length almost came out to 666, not that Im superstitious or anything. :shock:

Red can you verify the diameter of your testing tree and the total length of your amsteel tether for kicks n grins?

I will check over the weekend (probably won't be tonight). I had 65 foot of amsteel, and I made 3 whoopies out of it, and I think I have enough to make 1 more. I think you're talking about doing the rope mod for your sticks. I think whoopies for sticks are a bigger pain than they are for the tree tether.

 

[kenn1320]

No whoopie's for the sticks, just the rope mod but using amsteel. I have cranford rope on steps, believe me Im not looking to use that whoopie system on a stick anytime soon. :lol:

 

[g2outdoors]

Re: RE: Re: Amsteel

Great video, is the "nut" hammock specific? On the loop, since he ran it through itself first, does this eliminate the need to cross stitch?

The nut is not Hammock specific. It keeps you from accidentally pulling your adjustable loop through the bury. I don't use the nuts on my slings but it's a good failsafe I suppose.

You're right. The way he made his loop there is no need to lock stitch it. That's called a locked brummel and it's the best way to do a fixed eye.

 

[g2outdoors]

Re: RE: Re: Amsteel

The down side is it takes twice as much rope to go around the tree, but the stuff is so light it don't matter. I want my carabiner as close to the tree as possible, so my concern is will the constrictor function properly if part or most of it is on other side of synch loop?
Forgetting about Amsteel for a second while I share my thoughts, I don't need infinite adjustment. If I had a tether that had loops like a daisy chain for a decent portion of its length, that would be fine by me. Once around the tree, back through the end loop and pick any of the multiple loops to clip my carabiner/bridge into. Now if we could make that out of Amsteel, Id be a happy camper.

You've given me an idea...

Eno hammocks use a "Atlas" strap for their suspension. It's basically a Daisy chain.

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I think you could make a series of locked brummels down a length of amsteel. Going to experiment when I get a chance this weekend.

 

[kenn1320]

G2 thats exactly what Im talking about!!!! If you can figure out a safe way to mimic that with amsteel, that would be awesome.

 

[flinginairos]

I knew if I waited long enough you guys would figure out the best way haha. I like that idea!


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[g2outdoors]

Re: RE: Re: Amsteel

No whoopie's for the sticks, just the rope mod but using amsteel. I have cranford rope on steps, believe me Im not looking to use that whoopie system on a stick anytime soon.

I put whoopies on my LW sticks and hated them. I Immediately to them off. That's one of the reasons I'm so nervous about using one for my tether.

 

[kenn1320]

OK, here is a thought on how to do this, no amsteel to try it. Ill try to describe it. Take a piece and hang it over a door knob. That will represent the very end loop. Now like your going to splice an eye, take one side and pierce it perpendicular through the other and pull it to the desired loop size. Take the one that just got pierced and use it to pierce the other one. I think that is how you would do an eye splice and at this point you would normally take that short end and burry it in the main line. So you have a double pierce, now go down say 2" and double pierce again and repeat as many times as desired.
So If I was making this I would figure out the max diameter tree I wanted to hunt(64" circumference). I would take my rope and place it over the door handle so I had a long side and one that was 68" long. I would double pierce a loop that could fit a carabiner through(4" loop). I would figure out the smallest tree I would hunt and measure its circumference. So lets say that was 14". So 14" from the very end of the main loop I would double pierce. I would then move down 2" and double pierce and repeat till the entire 68 is done. I believe this would distribute the load between 2 ropes equally, even though its really 1 rope. The remaining long section would get a normal double pierce and burry eye splice for the carabiner for my Bod harness. Thoughts?

 

[g2outdoors]

I tried three different ideas with no success. Will try again tomorrow.

 

[flinginairos]

So I had an idea that I need one of you with some Amsteel to possibly try or shoot me down if you think it won't work lol. But what if you took two lengths of rope, the first will have a fixed eye to girth hitch around the tree and the second rope will feed through the first to constrict it and have a fixed eye to attach a biner/bridge to. Works like a whoopie sling with constriction of the rope but I think a little easier maybe? I could be completely wrong here so feel free to tell me it sucks lol. Here's a little sketch

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[kenn1320]

I dont think that will work based on how the constrictor functions. If there is not resistance on both ends of the constrictor, it doesn't constrict. I pounded my head trying to make it a single piece around the tree and coudnt do it.

 

[g2outdoors]

Re: RE: Re: Amsteel

I dont think that will work based on how the constrictor functions. If there is not resistance on both ends of the constrictor, it doesn't constrict. I pounded my head trying to make it a single piece around the tree and coudnt do it.

I think kenn is right. Plus I'm not sure it would be any easier to adjust than a traditional whoopie. I've got a few spare whoopies in my gear box that I'm going to test out at some point this weekend.

 

[redsquirrel]

Total length of my whoopie amsteel was 162 inches, not including the loop, and that should cover pretty much any tree I ever want to hunt.

So I had an idea that I need one of you with some Amsteel to possibly try or shoot me down if you think it won't work lol. But what if you took two lengths of rope, the first will have a fixed eye to girth hitch around the tree and the second rope will feed through the first to constrict it and have a fixed eye to attach a biner/bridge to. Works like a whoopie sling with constriction of the rope but I think a little easier maybe? I could be completely wrong here so feel free to tell me it sucks lol. Here's a little sketch

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I thought that was going to work great. I was about to make one with one of the whoopies that I pulled out, and I realized that your adjustment would be limited depending on where you put the constrictor, i.e. it wouldn't work on both large and small trees. But I like your thinking :thumbup:

 

[kenn1320]

Total length of my whoopie amsteel was 162 inches, not including the loop, and that should cover pretty much any tree I ever want to hunt.

And that wouldnt include a lead going to a RC harness right? My 191" sounds like Im in the ball park, and hey who wouldnt mind having some amsteel around to play with when these ideas come up? :lol:

 

[redsquirrel]

Total length of my whoopie amsteel was 162 inches, not including the loop, and that should cover pretty much any tree I ever want to hunt.

And that wouldnt include a lead going to a RC harness right? My 191" sounds like Im in the ball park, and hey who wouldnt mind having some amsteel around to play with when these ideas come up? :lol:

Correct, I don't use a rock climbing harness. And I'm sure we'll come up with more uses for this stuff

 

[flinginairos]

I dont think that will work based on how the constrictor functions. If there is not resistance on both ends of the constrictor, it doesn't constrict. I pounded my head trying to make it a single piece around the tree and coudnt do it.

Gotcha. I wasn't sure since I haven't messed with Amsteel yet. Starting to think Amsteel might not be the ideal tether? Would work great for a bridge no doubt. Hopefully we can figure it out!


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