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Broadhead test pack

Bowmanmike

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This is awesome,i am following to just see what people learn. Great idea. I was going to sign up,but i think i have a narrow weight range for my broadheads so i don't know that the pack will be that beneficial to me.
I love the idea though
 

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Which 1s did you shoot? Did some seem to be quieter than others?
Sorry Beast, just saw this. I only shot yours and @ericabbott 's 200gr Bone. Loved the way each of them flew. They were spot on in terms of accuracy out to 30yds (the max I attempted). :) As to noise, I can't exactly say sir. I'm a prior sailor and have a hard time hearing much of anything.

I can tell you this though, I was really surprised as to the difference in size of some of the broadheads I received. Reading specs on a company's site and holding the broadhead in your hand are two totally different things. Case in point, you'll notice that I had to cut a notch out of the travel case to hold @AKMonkey 's 260gr Grizzly. Seeing a pile of blade hanging out of my quiver's hood helped me in the decision making process. :oops:
 

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For those interested but are wondering about shipping cost for the kit... it was $5.75 to ship USPS from VA to AK.
 

Bowmanmike

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Hey @Red Beard ,could you put me on the list as well? I wouldn't mind trying some of those heads,and i am ordering some steel force single bevel 125 gr to add to the pack.
 

AKMonkey

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My evaluations with the kit were instructive. Thanks for making this happen, @Red Beard.

I was surprised to see the similarities among the old-school style heads made from layers of formed sheet metal. The Eclipse, which I'd never heard of, seemed to be a clone of the Magnus heads, which themselves are built much like the old Zwickey Black Diamond heads (which are not included in the pack). All have 3 layers of sheet metal at the tip, with a hollow base molded from 2 of the layers, to create a tapered receptacle for a wooden shaft or threaded broadhead adapter. The Grizzly heads are a variation that uses only 2 layers of metal.

The Steel Force and Stinger heads represent a style that uses a separate ferrule attached to a flat sheet metal blade. This is the style of the classic Bear Razorhead (also not in the pack) that was popular in the 1960s and 1970s.

I was surprised to learn that the RamCat is available with single-bevel blades, to enhance the twist imparted by the offset mounting of the replaceable blades. I think the RamCat and Muzzy100 may have been the only replaceable blade, chisel-tip style heads in the pack. I shot that style for years, in several versions including Satellites, Savora, Wasp, Thunderhead, and Wac 'em. I've moved on to heavier-duty, single-piece, 2-blade heads now, but I do believe that the design of the single-bevel RamCat may give it some advantages over other replaceable-blade models. My primary reservation is that Dr. Ashby found that 3-blade heads in general stick in bone, rather than splitting the bone and penetrating as well as the 2-blade, single-bevel heads. My own experience has been consistent with that finding.

The designs that have my favor now, as I said, are the single-piece, molded designs, represented in the test pack by the G5 Montec and the Bone 200. This method of manufacture seems to be more precise, and it eliminates the inconsistencies introduced (or allowed) by gluing a broadhead adapter into a sheet-metal head. It also lends itself to heavier builds with thicker blades, less prone to breaking like those in the replaceable-blade models.

The Montec is a capable head (I've tested some of the cheap and less-durable knockoffs), but the 3-blade design has me worried about its ability to punch though bone, based on Ashby's work.

The Bone broadhead, on the other hand, is a stout, heavily-constructed splitting maul, designed specifically to crack a bone open and let the arrow continue on its way. I'm sure that it is good at that, but I'd like to see some apples-to-apples comparisons of the Bone (with its rounded, shovel-shaped front edges) against more traditional straight-edged designs with Ashby's favored tanto tip. We unfortunately don't have any of the other molded, 200-grain, 2-blade heads in the pack to compare the Bone to (for example, Cutthroat, Abowyer, VPA, and Grizzlystik forged models). Serious testing in tough substrates would likely damage the heads, though, and that isn't what our "test pack" is for.

I did not seriously consider the expandable/mechanical "flappers" in the kit. I know that expandables can kill game, but their performance when they hit bone is not reliable, according to Ashby and many others.

Thanks for the opportunity to paw through the kit, and launch a couple of the heads. That was fun.
 
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Bowmanmike

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I am eager to test the broadheads too. I bought some grizzlystik samurai 125 gr heads and like them a lot. They are a two piece two blade singe bevel design,not ideal but they have the 3:1 blade. I have my bow tuned well and they fly like darts. I guess they are my "cheap" good version.
I contacted bone broadheads a few weeks back and they said they couldn't be sure they would have broadheads available before season start because their manufacturer is making PPE now. I would prefer a single piece design.
 

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I have the test pack now but all I've been able to do is eyeball the contents. I got home from my trip a week ago but there's been so much work to catch up on. I plan to get out this weekend and shoot a few of them. I am also interested in the two blade single bevel heads. The Bone broadhead is the most interesting but it's disheartening that they won't have any available before the season. I want to have everything locked in before that. I shoot Tooth of the Arrow 4 blade heads now. They are machined out of one piece of steel. Nice heads, but I think a two blade single bevel will be better. @Bowmanmike I believe your next on the list so I will try to hurry. @Red Beard thanks again for putting this together.
 

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I have the test pack now but all I've been able to do is eyeball the contents. I got home from my trip a week ago but there's been so much work to catch up on. I plan to get out this weekend and shoot a few of them. I am also interested in the two blade single bevel heads. The Bone broadhead is the most interesting but it's disheartening that they won't have any available before the season. I want to have everything locked in before that. I shoot Tooth of the Arrow 4 blade heads now. They are machined out of one piece of steel. Nice heads, but I think a two blade single bevel will be better. @Bowmanmike I believe your next on the list so I will try to hurry. @Red Beard thanks again for putting this together.
Take your time,i am not really in a hurry. I think i will stick with the heads i already bought. Bone broadheads may get their production back,but they were good and said they didn't want to take my money and not be able to deliver. I also was not sure about their blade shape,i would prefer a straight 3:1 but i don't want to spend $100 on three broadheads. I could maybe send you one of the samurais i have if you are curious. I was going to put one in the test pack if there are other folks after me.
 

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Take your time,i am not really in a hurry. I think i will stick with the heads i already bought. Bone broadheads may get their production back,but they were good and said they didn't want to take my money and not be able to deliver. I also was not sure about their blade shape,i would prefer a straight 3:1 but i don't want to spend $100 on three broadheads. I could maybe send you one of the samurais i have if you are curious. I was going to put one in the test pack if there are other folks after me.
I am curious, but don't send it to me. Add it to the test pack for the others after you. I am pretty sure I am going with Steelforce Traditional 225's or Tuffhead Meathead 265's. The Steelforce have the better price, but the Tuffhead has the reputation. I am using the 200gn Ethics insert with footer so they can be adjusted to accommodate either broadhead. I do really like the 200gn Bone heads at first glance, but they're as pricey as the Tuffheads.
 

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GrizzlyStik makes the Alaskan, a one-piece head that looks a lot like the Bone, with its rounded blade, and the Ashby, with straight blades. Might be a good alternative to the Bone if They are currently in stock.

Both of the Grizzlystik models look quite capable, although testing has shown the Ashby head breaks on high impacts, before other comparable heads. I expect that they use the same hardened stainless steel for both models, but I don't know. Maybe they've backed off the hardness a bit by now, but I can't say for sure. Pricey heads, for sure, but they do look good.
 

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You just missed the sale GrizzlyStik was selling their black label Broadheads (top of the line) Massai and Samurai as well as 2 others for 49.95 for 3pk. Usually 90 bucks
 

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Field point and broadheads hit the same spot. Thought the Massai and Samurai would have different impact pionts but i have found them to be interchangeable


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Bowmanmike

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The 125 grain samurai i got were 49.95. They are not solid blades though,they have vents.
 
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