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Catalyst Outdoors GWB Sticks

benjamin.simon.165 said:
I believe he was saying that he has a stick similar to a shikar that was made before the shikars came out. I know catalyst pulled the plug on their clone.

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He is probably referring to the sticks Tethrd was working on.

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enkriss said:
He is probably referring to the sticks Tethrd was working on.

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I owned them even before I saw the Tethrd ones, although it looked very similar to theirs. I won’t name drop, because the guy asked me to keep them low key when he sold me them.... but he may be friends with Tethrd and had something to do with it? Maybe he’ll chyme in.
 
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Mschmeiske said:
I owned them even before I saw the Tethrd ones. I won’t name drop, because they guy asked me to keep them low key when he sold me them.... but he may be friends with Tethrd and had something to do with it? Maybe he’ll chyme in.
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Ahhh.....

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Wow yeah. Stick market is getting outrageous.

I like that there are small companies willing to push the manufacturing and materials to the extreme, but most of them have priced their products right out of the market. I guess if you don't care about staying in business or making money that's fine?

I mean who the heck are buying these things? There's no way a couple dozen or even a hundred saddlehunters across a couple forums are paying these guys mortgage. At best they're breaking even on material and labor. I'd be surprised if they're even doing that.
 
I bought their angled steps, stand offs (not the lighter weight ones) and versa button. The quality is top notch. If they make a fixed step stick I’ll be buying 3. Their Facebook currently shows a fixed step stick @ 17 ounces for around 65 dollars.
I guess I’m one of the “who the heck are buying these things” guy. But I admittedly have a gear buying problem...
 
The whole “rapid prototyping” thing makes me a little hesitant. Sounds to me like they are throwing things together to try to sell something. I would like a product I buy to be tested for a bit. I don’t want to be paying money to be a beta tester.

They are trying to build the plane while flying it. Not gonna workout...
 
enkriss said:
The whole “rapid prototyping” thing makes me a little hesitant. Sounds to me like they are throwing things together to try to sell something. I would like a product I buy to be tested for a bit. I don’t want to be paying money to be a beta tester.

They are trying to build the plane while flying it. Not gonna workout...
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These guys are aerospace machinist. They use software to prototype. The software helps them find breaking points before the machine even builds the stick. Their approach is quite different. But I understand where you are coming from and yes, everything needs to be tested.
 
skyjacker said:
These guys are aerospace machinist. They use software to prototype. The software helps them find breaking points before the machine even builds the stick. Their approach is quite different. But I understand where you are coming from and yes, everything needs to be tested.
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I have been in the aerospace industry since 2006 I used ProEngineer structural/thermal analysis as well as solid works extensively. I am very familiar with modeling software. That doesn’t mean that is where your testing ends. Far from... once you fix the issues in the model you export the CNC code and build a prototype. That is where ASTM and other standards testing gets vetted.
 
enkriss said:
I have been in the aerospace industry since 2006 I used ProEngineer structural/thermal analysis as well as solid works extensively. I am very familiar with modeling software. That doesn’t mean that is where your testing ends. Far from... once you fix the issues in the model you export the CNC code and build a prototype. That is where ASTM and other standards testing gets vetted.
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I agree. I just haven't seen anyone else in this industry using any kind of modeling software. For the most part it's just an idea they get machined and that's where it ends. No certifications etc ... I know Timber Ninja took their sticks to a third party testing facility (I think the same one Tethrd used) and I for one appreciate that. Has EWO sticks been third party tested? AFAIK the Cruzr saddle was tested with a winch? We are buying gear all the time without certs and third party testing. This is not different.
 
skyjacker said:
I agree. I just haven't seen anyone else in this industry using any kind of modeling software. For the most part it's just an idea they get machined and that's where it ends. No certifications etc ... I know Timber Ninja took their sticks to a third party testing facility (I think the same one Tethrd used) and I for one appreciate that. Has EWO sticks been third party tested? AFAIK the Cruzr saddle was tested with a winch? We are buying gear all the time without certs and third party testing. This is not different.
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Third party testing would be great but I don’t even think they strapped it to a tree before their Facebook live...lol. They drew it, exported the code, machined it in what they claim 3 hours start to finish. Zero testing what so ever.

Also, I have an idea of what materials weigh. There is no way they are hitting 17oz. Especially that fixed stick they just posted. Not with that hardware.
 
enkriss said:
Third party testing would be great but I don’t even think they strapped it to a tree before their Facebook live...lol. They drew it, exported the code, machined it in what they claim 3 hours start to finish. Zero testing what so ever.

Also, I have an idea of what materials weigh. There is no way they are hitting 17oz. Especially that fixed stick they just posted. Not with that hardware.
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Based on what's been going on with them. I think they are just getting thoughts and interest. Not selling anything yet. I don't know anything about metal. I'm curious, why can't it be 17 oz? That tubing looks smaller than 1 inch.
 
I just put their steps, stand offs and button on a 22 inch 1/16th aluminum tube and the weight was 21 ounces (1lb 5 oz). They have lighter stand offs available and the step design on the stick the 1.1 pound stick is different from what I bought. I wouldn’t be surprised if they hit that 1.1 pound all aluminum stick. Everything I ordered weighed exactly as advertised, which was refreshing.
 
Their lightweight stand offs would put my stick at 1 pound 3.5 ounces. If the tubing is two ounces lighter than mine they hit the mark.

Not affiliated, just like to tinker.
 
theAdmiral said:
I just put their steps, stand offs and button on a 22 inch 1/16th aluminum tube and the weight was 21 ounces (1lb 5 oz). They have lighter stand offs available and the step design on the stick the 1.1 pound stick is different from what I bought. I wouldn’t be surprised if they hit that 1.1 pound all aluminum stick. Everything I ordered weighed exactly as advertised, which was refreshing.
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There is a reason manufacturers use 1/8” wall thickness. 1/16” will not withstand the stress. Certainly won’t be rated at 300lbs.

there are also 4 bolts 2 with a massive head. Plus versa button.

if they do make the sticks and don’t fold up. Good for them.
 
No worries here, I’m 160 pounds. Been using the 1/16th tubing for 3 years without any bending of the stick or enlongation of mounting holes. I believe they are using 3/4 inch 1/8th tubing.
 
theAdmiral said:
No worries here, I’m 160 pounds. Been using the 1/16th tubing for 3 years without any bending of the stick or enlongation of mounting holes. I believe they are using 3/4 inch 1/8th tubing.
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On their last video that they posted and then deleted, they said that they used 1/8 inch tubing, so I’m not worried about it ...
 
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