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Climb Time and Height

Speed matters but the differences between methods really don't matter in my opinion. Spurs, Stepps, SRT, sticks are all sub 10 minute methods to 25 feet at a stealth pace. We subcontiously analyze the risk when we climb a tree. It is one of the few times we relinquish our weapon while in the woods. We are all success driven so we feel vulnerable when our weapon is at the base of the tree. Speed is one way to mitigate that risk.

How big is that risk to begin with? Let's say 2% or 1 out of 50 hunts a target animal walks by while setting up during a 10 minute window. This is likely a very conservative number if you target mature bucks. Usually, a lesser buck will pass by but that is a different conversation. Regardless, climbing a 2x speed (i.e. 5 minutes) cuts that risk in half to 1%. But it's a small risk to begin with and the tangible benefit is relatively small.

This brings another option in risk mitigation. Can you comfortably execute a shot with your climbing method/setup system BEFORE reaching your platform? Can you remain motionless for a long period of time while hanging from only your linemans belt? This is where aider based system get really questionable as executing an ethical shot requires use of both hands on the weapon. Spur/Stepp/Step Comfort also come into play here. When I pick a tree usually 70% of my realistic shot opportunities are on my strong side. So unless understory cover is an issue, the risk is better mitigated by picking a climbing method that allows me shoot rather than climb fast.

Spurs still shine here. You can shoot fine from spurs. Especially a compound. Trad shooters may struggle and do better with a shorter lineman's belt and a stepp/stick.

Slower stepp and stick methods also shine. Even slower methods as long as your weapon is available and shot opportunties are sacraficed for long periods of time.

Methods where you can't shoot? Well you're vulnerable and it's a risk you have to be willing to take.

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I'm way slower than you guys. Sometimes it takes me 30 minutes to get set up. Especially in the winter.

I climb up, set my platform, then set my tether and climb on. Put my bow hanger and backpack hanger on, take my spurs off and hang them, pull them up my bow then my pack with a grapple and hang them. Then nock an arrow and get settled. Next I have to put on my layers. It's a long process....





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I'm way slower than you guys. Sometimes it takes me 30 minutes to get set up. Especially in the winter.

I climb up, set my platform, then set my tether and climb on. Put my bow hanger and backpack hanger on, take my spurs off and hang them, pull them up my bow then my pack with a grapple and hang them. Then nock an arrow and get settled. Next I have to put on my layers. It's a long process....





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The whole process of getting setup completely definitely takes me some time. I’m ready to shoot a deer fairly fast but as far as extra layers and camera gear it takes me another 20 minutes to quietly get it situated.


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I'm way slower than you guys. Sometimes it takes me 30 minutes to get set up. Especially in the winter.

I climb up, set my platform, then set my tether and climb on. Put my bow hanger and backpack hanger on, take my spurs off and hang them, pull them up my bow then my pack with a grapple and hang them. Then nock an arrow and get settled. Next I have to put on my layers. It's a long process....





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I'm way slower than you guys. Sometimes it takes me 30 minutes to get set up. Especially in the winter.

I climb up, set my platform, then set my tether and climb on. Put my bow hanger and backpack hanger on, take my spurs off and hang them, pull them up my bow then my pack with a grapple and hang them. Then nock an arrow and get settled. Next I have to put on my layers. It's a long process....





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I'm not much faster. This speed thing doesn't hold much water.

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Ernie, when you say winter layers do you mean an extra hoodie? I had a custom one made with Velcro, it's awesome for when you need to put it on real quick-like in the tree before the temp drops below 40. Winter on the Gulf Coast gets brutal.

Part of the emphasis on speed is because mosquitos tend to stall out above 20 ft. ;)
 
I don't believe that practicing getting "faster" is what we are looking for in our end result. Yes I want to be quicker setting up but it comes down to being super comfortable in our set ups and with our equipment. The more comfortable we are the better and safer we will be. Finding a system that is light, quiet, quick, and user friendly is what I'm aiming for. Practice makes us faster but also makes everything we do from the ground up to hunting height become 2nd nature. We just know what we need to do without thinking to much.
 
Ernie, when you say winter layers do you mean an extra hoodie? I had a custom one made with Velcro, it's awesome for when you need to put it on real quick-like in the tree before the temp drops below 40. Winter on the Gulf Coast gets brutal.

Part of the emphasis on speed is because mosquitos tend to stall out above 20 ft. ;)
I wish that was all. I'm talking brutal cold and I mean real layers. I am hoping to get a heated hoody this year to minimize some layers, but as of right now, I usually look like the kid from the Christmas story.

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I wish that was all. I'm talking brutal cold and I mean real layers. I am hoping to get a heated hoody this year to minimize some layers, but as of right now, I usually look like the kid from the Christmas story.

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Same here. I went all in on First Lite and hope to pick up a heated hoodie as well for the sub zero days.

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Same here. I went all in on First Lite and hope to pick up a heated hoodie as well for the sub zero days.

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I went down the Sitka rabbit hole. The stuff works but it wasn't cheap.

With the right combination, I can handle some really cold days. And you know the type of cold I'm talking about. Rifle opener over there a few years ago was as cold as I've ever seen. Most of the guys in my camp never even went out the first two days.

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I think Minnesota is colder than southern Ontario... We get Lake Huron warming up that Minnesota air.
I like to get up on a cold day quickly but when I have to add clothing that takes time. Also I don't want activity or speed to make me sweaty on a cold day or I will freeze.
So an easy method is important.
WE steps with no gloves in frigid weather sounds like no fun compared to a stick with a cam cleat. IMO. A stick with cam cleats can be done with gloves on.
 
I'm way slower than you guys. Sometimes it takes me 30 minutes to get set up. Especially in the winter.

I climb up, set my platform, then set my tether and climb on. Put my bow hanger and backpack hanger on, take my spurs off and hang them, pull them up my bow then my pack with a grapple and hang them. Then nock an arrow and get settled. Next I have to put on my layers. It's a long process....





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This is true. Setup time vs climb time is a completely different thing.

When I say I can climb a tree to 25' in 2 minutes with spurs, that does not mean I'm setup ready to shoot in 2 minutes.

My entire process from womb to tomb can vary from 10 minutes to 30 minutes depending on 1,000 different factors...type of tree, diameter of tree, lean of tree, hunting location, number of branches, temperature, time of day, amount of bugs, etc.

Plus, like @bowhunter15 mentioned, I sometimes stare at tree trunks for another 10 minutes trying to pick the perfect one.

There certainly is no magic speed bullet when you're hunting mobile.

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I think Minnesota is colder than southern Ontario... We get Lake Huron warming up that Minnesota air.
I like to get up on a cold day quickly but when I have to add clothing that takes time. Also I don't want activity or speed to make me sweaty on a cold day or I will freeze.
So an easy method is important.
WE steps with no gloves in frigid weather sounds like no fun compared to a stick with a cam cleat. IMO. A stick with cam cleats can be done with gloves on.
I take my gloves off when I climb, regardless of method. I hate gloves. Even ice fishing. I'll tough through 45 minutes of minnow fingers to avoid wearing gloves.

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I hate gloves too. I have started wearing Sitka fanatic gloves. I love that they are very light and have exposed thumbs for my thumb release.

I use a heavy muff with hand warmers in it.

I love the Sitka fanatic jacket, and shacket because they have built in muffs.



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I think Minnesota is colder than southern Ontario... We get Lake Huron warming up that Minnesota air.
I like to get up on a cold day quickly but when I have to add clothing that takes time. Also I don't want activity or speed to make me sweaty on a cold day or I will freeze.
So an easy method is important.
WE steps with no gloves in frigid weather sounds like no fun compared to a stick with a cam cleat. IMO. A stick with cam cleats can be done with gloves on.
I agree, I have to carry my upper layers so I don't sweat up on the hike in and climb. Even down to 25 F I leave camp in just a long sleeve T shirt. Everything else is on my back.

Hahaha. I often spend more time staring at trees than actually setting up.


It usually involves walking in circles for 10 minutes

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Sounds exactly right:smiley:.
 
I do the similar. If it's really cold (less than -5 F), I will wear more and carry a ziploc bag for the sweated up underlayers. I'm envious of the guys that live in the big buck zone of the southern midwest. Mild temps, Big, often bigger Bucks.

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Looking at the tree ... That's funny, I do spend a good bit of time doing that also ... And for me, the last thing I want to do is sweat ! I want to climb as fast as I can ... and not sweat. I can go about 20' in a around 6 min and not break a sweat. In my opinion if you can climb 25' in 12 min you are killin it. Really under 15 min, I think is smoking.... But if I have to sweat to do it, no way ! .... I couldn't imagine shooting off the side of a tree though, to get your bow pulled up and an arrow knocked ... would be ninja sh@t lol ... I posted a link climbing 18' in just over 5 min... I was breathing a little heavy as that was my 3rd climb at the time, and I was hustling ...
 
Looking at the tree ... That's funny, I do spend a good bit of time doing that also ... And for me, the last thing I want to do is sweat ! I want to climb as fast as I can ... and not sweat. I can go about 20' in a around 6 min and not break a sweat. In my opinion if you can climb 25' in 12 min you are killin it. Really under 15 min, I think is smoking.... But if I have to sweat to do it, no way ! .... I couldn't imagine shooting off the side of a tree though, to get your bow pulled up and an arrow knocked ... would be ninja sh@t lol ... I posted a link climbing 18' in just over 5 min... I was breathing a little heavy as that was my 3rd climb at the time, and I was hustling ...
You won't sweat in less than 10 minutes climbing casually with sticks, stepps, or spurs. It's really simple just like the steps you mentioned.

In a race, you can climb with each method in less than 5 minutes to 20 feet.

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You won't sweat in less than 10 minutes climbing casually with sticks, stepps, or spurs. It's really simple just like the steps you mentioned.

In a race, you can climb with each method in less than 5 minutes to 20 feet.

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I would love to see the race ! Lol
 
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