Cruzr Buckles

[BTaylor]

I went out and hung from just the waist belt today. Even bounced via some hip thrusts. It held if that makes y’all feel better about a no brand name weight rated buckle.


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Does UIAA have a rating for Twerkinfall???

 

[iamcorey]

Does UIAA have a rating for Twerkinfall???

if not they will as soon as i send them the video. just need to edit in the sweet beats.

 

[MIbowhunter49]

I've already bought a Cruzr saddle and love it, so they already have my money. Why on earth do you care so much about whether others and I spend our own money to upgrade a potentially life-saving component? I honestly have no idea why you're so bothered over this, as, again, no one here has said a single negative thing about the company or the saddle. People like me without climbing experience rely on the opinions of other, more experienced folks on this forum to inform our safety decisions, and that's what's being discussed in this thread.

All you've done here is be condescending and rude to a group of folks who are asking important questions about safety. I mean this genuinely: I just don't understand it. I'm not looking to start a fight, but at the same time, it gets under my skin when folks come in hot like you did for (seemingly) no good reason.

You're the triggered one. All I've done is make a couple observations.

 

[roosterstraw]

I agree, buckles need to be load bearing. What’s happens if you fall while climbing a tree? The leg buckles will be your main support. Has anyone replaced the leg hooks on a phantom yet?

 

[gwhalin]

I agree, buckles need to be load bearing. What’s happens if you fall while climbing a tree? The leg buckles will be your main support. Has anyone replaced the leg hooks on a phantom yet?

The leg buckles are not your main support ever. Your linesman loops or bridge loops will be depending on your climbing method.

 

[Chrighton]

My main reason for wanting a buckle (not necessarily load-rated). Is while climbing I want them to stay on. I've had some hooks that tend to work their way loose or off completely.

 

[steve-0h]

I recently spoke with a saddle manufacturer who is working with TMA, and his input was that the leg buckles are actually what TMA looks at, rather than waist buckle. He’s had to put more time into his leg buckle choices than his waist buckle. Aside from that secondhand nugget of info, that’s all I got.

 

[iamcorey]

I recently spoke with a saddle manufacturer who is working with TMA, and his input was that the leg buckles are actually what TMA looks at, rather than waist buckle. He’s had to put more time into his leg buckle choices than his waist buckle. Aside from that secondhand nugget of info, that’s all I got.

If true that’s a game changer.


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[steve-0h]

If true that’s a game changer.


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Lol

I was surprised to hear that. I wonder if that’s because they are used to assessing old school harnesses, rather than saddles. The Tethrd dudes would know. They are working with TMA too, I believe

 

[iamcorey]

Lol

I was surprised to hear that. I wonder if that’s because they are used to assessing old school harnesses, rather than saddles. The Tethrd dudes would know. They are working with TMA too, I believe

Pure speculation but I’d think they and others would be working to change the leg buckle focus. If not I guess we know what updates will be in store with the next round of saddles.

Either rated leg buckles or a fixed leg loop ala Trophyline.


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[Ontariofarmer]

I recently spoke with a saddle manufacturer who is working with TMA, and his input was that the leg buckles are actually what TMA looks at, rather than waist buckle. He’s had to put more time into his leg buckle choices than his waist buckle. Aside from that secondhand nugget of info, that’s all I got.

The H2 was sold without leg buckles. Some of the tethrd pros either used to cut them off or did not use them on saddles of old.

Leg buckles on the Cruzr don’t come undone but those tethrd ones do.

Hmm. As was said leg buckles are not your main life support. The bridge is

I need leg straps for one sticking and rappelling. When I am in the tree I often disconnect them


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[tmattson]

Replacing belt buckle require sewing? On the CRUZER.

 

[tmattson]

Replacing belt buckle require sewing? On the CRUZER.

Looks like no.

 

[raisins]

I am still blown away by the amount of attention non-load bearing buckles are getting. It's almost to the point that it seems like slander. The waist buckle (the only one that matters) is rated to 24kN or something, its stamped right on it.

Anyone find the weight rating of the tethrd T hooks? (rolls eyes so hard I fall backward)

Google

Counterfeit Cobra Buckle

I do not trust the ratings of any buckle company (not talking about Cruzr here) unless both of the following conditions hold: 1. they are a reputable company and 2. I know that the buckle came from them.

A buckle that strong costs around $25 from either Raptor or Cobra. The Alibaba one costs as much as a bottle of water.

It's a subjective thing. One person's due diligence is another person's paranoia. After I saw this thread, I'm ordering a Cobra buckle.

EDIT: I'm just addressing the fact that just because a buckle says something doesn't mean it is true, since counterfeit Cobra buckles are a thing and I'm sure their stated ratings are not tested/legit (why would a criminal counterfeiter care to test their fake product?).

 

[iamcorey]

Google

Counterfeit Cobra Buckle

I do not trust the ratings of any company unless both of the following conditions hold: 1. they are a reputable company and 2. I know that the buckle came from them.

A buckle that strong costs around $25 from either Raptor or Cobra. The Alibaba one costs as much as a bottle of water.

It's a subjective thing. One person's due diligence is another person's paranoia. After I saw this thread, I'm ordering a Cobra buckle right now from Autrialpin (the only direct distributor in N. America).

so were you able to confirm the buckle is from alibaba or a counterfeit cobra?

 

[raisins]

You're only as strong as your weakest link....if anyone is interested in a 1.5 inch webbing slider/tri-glide then these are the best I found so far.

Webbing Slider 1-1/2" (Stainless Steel)

DetailsThis Webbing Slider by Suncor® is a heavy-duty 304 stainless steel slider used to easily adjust the length of a webbing strap or tie-down assembly. This webbing adjuster also accepts a flat hook.Working Load: 200 pounds

www.sailrite.com

 

[raisins]

so were you able to confirm the buckle is from alibaba or a counterfeit cobra?

Neither.

I was addressing the previous comment that stated that we should trust what is stamped on a buckle. I mentioned that there are counterfeit Cobra Buckles to underline that point. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[skyjacker]

The problem here is that I've seen a bunch of websites selling the same type of buckle as the one on the Cruzr. One of two things is happening, they are all getting the buckles from a single source (which no one can verify) or manufacturers are just copying this design all over the place. Neither one of those options are good enough for me. There is only one ADF and AustriAlpin and I can order directly from them. Those are the only two rated buckles I'm trusting my life to until further notice. Ya'll do you. I'm just giving you the information i've found based on a ton of research.

 

[raisins]

The belt buckle is considered load bearing in a fall. The leg straps are not.

Still not sure why all the shade is being cast on Cruzr. Apparently every other saddle company out there is being more upfront on who their suppliers are? Doubt it.

Even if their buckle was good to 25% of what it was supposedly rated to, it'd still be good for 1300lb of force.

@Chad Rice, can you silence these guys? I'm sure if you took the time to have CRUZR engraved in the belt buckles, you looked into whether the buckle was suited for the use...

No one is throwing shade on anyone. Someone asked a specific question about a specific saddle. Also, several saddle manufacturers (Tethrd and Aero Hunter, I believe) specifically state that they use Raptor buckles (for instance) and you when you look at the saddle, it is obviously a Raptor buckle. Raptor is a known brand that is the American competitor to Cobra.

Regarding your fair point about why we aren't asking about the webbing rating: 1. we can't look up the webbing so easily and be put at ill ease, 2. it is easy to feel this webbing and know it is either nylon or polyester single layer webbing (appearing to be of the seat belt variety) and we know that pretty much all of this is very strong, 3. there are no mechanical parts to fail with webbing and little in the way of "bad internal design" possible, 4. webbing is pretty much all similar material where as different metals (7075 aluminum is much stronger than basic, architectural aluminum and also the way the metals are treated make a big difference) vary much more widely, and 5. even the best webbing is very cheap and so there is little incentive to go even cheaper on it. In comparison, a saddle with 3 Cobra buckles would have 75 bucks worth of metal hanging off it (if Cruzr had offered a deluxe model that had all cobra buckles but cost 75 or 100 more then I would have bought it instead).

 

[DanO]

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It's a subjective thing. One person's due diligence is another person's paranoia. After I saw this thread, I'm ordering a Cobra buckle right now from Autrialpin (the only direct distributor in N. America).
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There are authorized resellers of AustriAlpin Cobra buckles here in the states including Rockywoods, MilSpec Monkey, and another company I've forgetting the name of - I'm very familiar with them but can't mention it in this thread.