Cruzr Buckles

[gwhalin]

Even so, definitely not saying I want sub-standard equipment (and I am definitely not saying the Cruzr buckle is substandard), but just hard pressed to be super worried about the belt buckle.

 

[Ontariofarmer]

COBRA® FM – AustriAlpin

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This buckles is almost as small as the Cruzr leg buckles


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[Ontariofarmer]

I think the Cruzr is safe. The users are not always safe.


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[skyjacker]

While I understand the desire for a reliable buckle, do the buckles actually ever carry your weight? Seems like they are useful for keeping the saddle from falling off when not using bridge or linesman, but when am I ever hanging from my buckles?

Every saddle manufacturer is using rated webbing and buckles for the waist belt. So there has to be something there to break. Otherwise plastic buckles are a lot cheaper. I don't understand the physics behind it. But yes, it seems like most of the force will be on the bridge and linesman loops. I'm not risking it for a $25 upgrade?

 

[skyjacker]

COBRA® FM – AustriAlpin

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This buckles is almost as small as the Cruzr leg buckles


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I've seen those. If I ever order a TX5 I'm having him put those 3/4 buckles on the leg loops. Can't replace the leg buckles on the Cruzr without cutting them out. I'm not willing to do that. But the waist buckle comes right off with zero modification. Easy replacement.

 

[Country]

I used to worry about the waist and leg buckle ratings. After my couple seasons in a saddle, I'm mainly only concerned with the bridge, bridge loops, and lineman's loops. The Cruzr waist and leg buckles seem plenty good for me. Why isn't everyone asking for the specs/brand/official rating of the soft materials?

 

[TNbowhunter]

I am still confused though. The belt buckle should not be load bearing unless I am missing something. All your load should be on your bridge loops or your linesman loops no? I am having a hard time thinking of a situation where my belt or leg buckles is every carrying my weight, but I might be having a brain fart??

"Should not be load bearing" is exactly right, but could be load-bearing if things go wrong. I can absolutely imagine a scenario where I leaned too hard to one side and toppled over, putting me upside down and only held in by the buckle. Is it a likely scenario? Not at all. Is it possible? Absolutely. That's why I'm considering spending the extra $ for a name-brand buckle--peace of mind!

 

[iamcorey]

I’m confused. Isn’t the buckle load bearing?


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[MIbowhunter49]

The belt buckle is considered load bearing in a fall. The leg straps are not.

Still not sure why all the shade is being cast on Cruzr. Apparently every other saddle company out there is being more upfront on who their suppliers are? Doubt it.

Even if their buckle was good to 25% of what it was supposedly rated to, it'd still be good for 1300lb of force.

@Chad Rice, can you silence these guys? I'm sure if you took the time to have CRUZR engraved in the belt buckles, you looked into whether the buckle was suited for the use...

 

[enkriss]

The belt buckle is considered load bearing in a fall. The leg straps are not.

Still not sure why all the shade is being cast on Cruzr. Apparently every other saddle company out there is being more upfront on who their suppliers are? Doubt it.

Even if their buckle was good to 25% of what it was supposedly rated to, it'd still be good for 1300lb of force.

tethrd and Aerohunter use raptor buckles

H2 and Cruzr use what looks like the same no name buckles.

I changed my waist buckle to a raptor buckle and leg buckles to Tethrd hooks.

 

[MIbowhunter49]

tethrd and Aerohunter use raptor buckles

H2 and Cruzr use what looks like the same no name buckles.

I changed my waist buckle to a raptor buckle and leg buckles to Tethrd hooks.

Any idea on the T-hooks?

 

[skyjacker]

tethrd and Aerohunter use raptor buckles

H2 and Cruzr use what looks like the same no name buckles.

I changed my waist buckle to a raptor buckle and leg buckles to Tethrd hooks.

H2 posted on FB at the beginning of July that they switched to AustriAlpin buckles.

 

[onestringer]

The belt buckle is considered load bearing in a fall. The leg straps are not.

Still not sure why all the shade is being cast on Cruzr. Apparently every other saddle company out there is being more upfront on who their suppliers are? Doubt it.

Even if their buckle was good to 25% of what it was supposedly rated to, it'd still be good for 1300lb of force.

@Chad Rice, can you silence these guys? I'm sure if you took the time to have CRUZR engraved in the belt buckles, you looked into whether the buckle was suited for the use...

I sure didn't mean to pick a scab. I was just curious. I think the leg buckles are sweet, a cross between load bearing and G-Hooks. I am sure the waist belt is fine too. I am dabbling in sewing, my question was for me. I want to put the same leg strap buckles on a saddle I sew. Might even put the same waist buckle on too. Price sure beats the price of a raptor buckle. I don't think anyone is questioning the quality of a Cruzr, its a great saddle.....all three I have owned. I have since re-homed two of those......but that's how I roll.

 

[TNbowhunter]

can you silence these guys?

I see you really took to heart my comment about not being condescending. Why does it get under your skin so bad that folks are trying to learn more about the device to which they're trusting their life? Nobody said "Cruzr sucks!" or anything like that; nobody disrespected the company; nobody said one single negative thing about Chad or the way he runs his business. Guys are just asking about material sourcing. Maybe it's time for you to move on from the conversation if you have nothing meaningful to add...

 

[skyjacker]

The belt buckle is considered load bearing in a fall. The leg straps are not.

Still not sure why all the shade is being cast on Cruzr. Apparently every other saddle company out there is being more upfront on who their suppliers are? Doubt it.

Even if their buckle was good to 25% of what it was supposedly rated to, it'd still be good for 1300lb of force.

@Chad Rice, can you silence these guys? I'm sure if you took the time to have CRUZR engraved in the belt buckles, you looked into whether the buckle was suited for the use...

No shade. I own a Cruzr. It's an excellent saddle. I just think the buckles are cheap. I can literally go to Alibaba and order them engraved with my logo? They're still cheap Chinese buckles. I gotta call a spade a spade. https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.42d14b64kyYzwk

On the bright side, I think I found the Chinese company that builds them ... http://www.fsturun.com/English/Product/6430254136.html

 

[enkriss]

H2 posted on FB at the beginning of July that they switched to AustriAlpin buckles.

Ah.... I see. July 8th I see a post on FB.

 

[MIbowhunter49]

I see you really took to heart my comment about not being condescending. Why does it get under your skin so bad that folks are trying to learn more about the device to which they're trusting their life? Nobody said "Cruzr sucks!" or anything like that; nobody disrespected the company; nobody said one single negative thing about Chad or the way he runs his business. Guys are just asking about material sourcing. Maybe it's time for you to move on from the conversation if you have nothing meaningful to add...

Honestly I think I've added more than you have at this point. so far you've posed leading questions and long winded analogies. Thanks for adding something "meaningful".


This whole guilty until proven innocent mentality makes me nauseous.

 

[TNbowhunter]

Honestly I think I've added more than you have at this point. so far you've posed leading questions and long winded analogies. Thanks for adding something "meaningful".


This whole guilty until proven innocent mentality makes me nauseous.

I've already bought a Cruzr saddle and love it, so they already have my money. Why on earth do you care so much about whether others and I spend our own money to upgrade a potentially life-saving component? I honestly have no idea why you're so bothered over this, as, again, no one here has said a single negative thing about the company or the saddle. People like me without climbing experience rely on the opinions of other, more experienced folks on this forum to inform our safety decisions, and that's what's being discussed in this thread.

All you've done here is be condescending and rude to a group of folks who are asking important questions about safety. I mean this genuinely: I just don't understand it. I'm not looking to start a fight, but at the same time, it gets under my skin when folks come in hot like you did for (seemingly) no good reason.

 

[iamcorey]

I went out and hung from just the waist belt today. Even bounced via some hip thrusts. It held if that makes y’all feel better about a no brand name weight rated buckle.


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[Tapeworm]

I went out and hung from just the waist belt today. Even bounced via some hip thrusts. It held if that makes y’all feel better about a no brand name weight rated buckle.


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Now we have to know the rating of your hip thrusts


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