CWD and what I should know about it

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

It probably came from a lab in China…

You’re probably right… The government can’t use starvation as a control tactic on hunters, but just like the purposeful depletion of buffalo in the 1800’s, having a phantom disease that has no known origin wiping out our whitetail populations, all the while encouraging places to eradicate hog, is an effective way to eventually end our food source independence. I’m not big on conspiracy theories but after the last 5 your 6 years, I don’t doubt the possibilities anymore

 

[SNIPERBBB]

Yeah, I don't know how it is going to play out for me long term. I'm hoping someone develops a rapid test that hunters can do in the field before processing a deer.

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There are blood/urine be tests being developed for detecting prion diseases. Not sure any such to yest can be done outside of a lab.

 

[neonomad]

Yep. I'm N.W. of Marion. Shot number 15 tonight and the farmer called and said there's 25 there after I left. Kinda feel bad killing them but they are destroying his corn crop.

I hunted Morrow for three years, those Ag woodlots were trickier than they appear. Are there big bucks in that area? We saw some decent ones but nothing huge…

I’m hoping the local deer thinning does something to slow the CWD spread, not sure what else can be done. Good news is still a very very low percentage even near you.

 

[cville_bowhunter]

You’re probably right… The government can’t use starvation as a control tactic on hunters, but just like the purposeful depletion of buffalo in the 1800’s, having a phantom disease that has no known origin wiping out our whitetail populations, all the while encouraging places to eradicate hog, is an effective way to eventually end our food source independence. I’m not big on conspiracy theories but after the last 5 your 6 years, I don’t doubt the possibilities anymore

As entertaining as this idea is, I think it is way more likely that human beings dislocating the balance of cervids in the ecosystem, and doing things like condensing deer onto farms, is the issue at hand. Marry all of that with the influx of old world animals, bacteria, plants, etc and who knows what the disease potential is to native species.

How big of a threat does the small and ever growing smaller population of hunters in the US pose to the federal government? The feds aren't out to get hunters...

 

[CZMark]

I have NO evidence to back this up, and I don't know if I believe it myself, but there is some speculation that the origin of CWD comes from a government sheep scrapie research project. The story has it that scrapie was (not intentionally) transferred to wild deer from the infected sheep and became CWD.

I find the theory possible, but likely?

 

[John 35]

Nah. Colorado research heard. I think it managed to spread initially mainly by transmission between research and market herds.

Domestication of animals has definitely been a double edged sword.

According to a guy I heard on Rogan the reason the Europeans were so full of viruses compared to the native Americans was because of the domestication of animals in Europe. The native Americans never domesticated animals at all and as a result never suffered from the constant pandemics the Europeans did. Of course it didn’t work out well for the natives in the end…

 

[John 35]

I,ve shot 14 deer here in Ohio so far and have 10 more tags. All the heads go to the biologist for testing but it looks like it takes quite some time for results. If you desire to eat one, you have to process and freeze and wait for the results, possibly throwing it out anyway. I don't see how we could beat it even if we killed most of them.

What happens if you eat a cwd deer? How do you know you haven’t eaten one already prior to testing being available?

 

[Nutterbuster]

According to a guy I heard on Rogan the reason the Europeans were so full of viruses compared to the native Americans was because of the domestication of animals in Europe. The native Americans never domesticated animals at all and as a result never suffered from the constant pandemics the Europeans did. Of course it didn’t work out well for the natives in the end…

I'm not a Rogan listener, but that sounds like the guy who wrote Guns, Germs, and Steel.

As far as eating them, there's not a lot of concrete evidence yet. This is a pretty good summary:

CWD Monkeys Fed Cannibal Diet: Researcher | Deer & Deer Hunting

Can monkeys get CWD from an infected deer? The answer isn’t as clear-cut as you might already believe. If you’ve followed CWD at all over the past several years, you’ve heard of the 2017 study results reported by the University of Calgary. In that study, researchers successfully infected five of...

www.deeranddeerhunting.com

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It doesn't seem like a huge worry from a human transmission standpoint. But cross-species prion infection has occurred in the past.

It's hard to toe the line between the fear-mongering common to today's journalism and prudent caution in the face of the unknown.

 

[John 35]

I'm not a Rogan listener, but that sounds like the guy who wrote Guns, Germs, and Steel.

As far as eating them, there's not a lot of concrete evidence yet. This is a pretty good summary:

CWD Monkeys Fed Cannibal Diet: Researcher | Deer & Deer Hunting

Can monkeys get CWD from an infected deer? The answer isn’t as clear-cut as you might already believe. If you’ve followed CWD at all over the past several years, you’ve heard of the 2017 study results reported by the University of Calgary. In that study, researchers successfully infected five of...

www.deeranddeerhunting.com

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It doesn't seem like a huge worry from a human transmission standpoint. But cross-species prion infection has occurred in the past.

It's hard to toe the line between the fear-mongering common to today's journalism and prudent caution in the face of the unknown.

I went back and checked and it was Dan Flores. That was an interesting article. It seems information is very commonly presented in a way that is intentionally deceptive. I think I’m going to go down with the ship and keep eating the deer I kill. Who’s to say the meat from the store doesn’t have any nasty surprises. The health of the general population is not good and it’s not because of wild game.

 

[TK161BOONER]

Nah. Colorado research heard. I think it managed to spread initially mainly by transmission between research and market herds.

Domestication of animals has definitely been a double edged sword.

My statement was sarcasm, sorry you didn’t catch that…

 

[sojourner]

I'm not a Rogan listener, but that sounds like the guy who wrote Guns, Germs, and Steel.

As far as eating them, there's not a lot of concrete evidence yet. This is a pretty good summary:

CWD Monkeys Fed Cannibal Diet: Researcher | Deer & Deer Hunting

Can monkeys get CWD from an infected deer? The answer isn’t as clear-cut as you might already believe. If you’ve followed CWD at all over the past several years, you’ve heard of the 2017 study results reported by the University of Calgary. In that study, researchers successfully infected five of...

www.deeranddeerhunting.com

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It doesn't seem like a huge worry from a human transmission standpoint. But cross-species prion infection has occurred in the past.

It's hard to toe the line between the fear-mongering common to today's journalism and prudent caution in the face of the unknown.

Jared Diamond authored that book. It has been ages since I read it. I did find it interesting when I read it.

 

[Blacksmith]

I hunted Morrow for three years, those Ag woodlots were trickier than they appear. Are there big bucks in that area? We saw some decent ones but nothing huge…

I’m hoping the local deer thinning does something to slow the CWD spread, not sure what else can be done. Good news is still a very very low percentage even near you.

Biologist said we only killed 11 positive last season. I think it's like Covid, everyones gonna die from it but no one really has it. I give all the meat to folks who want it, most don't worry about the test results. I did see a real shooter last night, 3" past his ears and very tall.

 

[Iron_llama]

I think I’m going to go down with the ship and keep eating the deer I kill. Who’s to say the meat from the store doesn’t have any nasty surprises. The health of the general population is not good and it’s not because of wild game.

I've come to the same conclusion, but I'm going to have my deer tested before I make bone broth or do any bone-in (shank, neck, shoulder) cooking. Which has come to be my favorite part. Were it just me I might be more cavalier but I'm not the only one eating my cooking.

 

[Jtaylor]

I know this is a bit of an old thread but thought I'd post this for those interested. I'd assume there's more info to come.

Study: Hunters Die After Consuming CWD-Infected Venison

A recent study in the journal Neurology found two hunters may have contracted the human form of Chronic Wasting Disease after eating CWD-infected deer meat

www.yahoo.com

Neurology Journal link:

https://doi.org/10.1212/WNL.0000000000204407

 

[BTaylor]

I know this is a bit of an old thread but thought I'd post this for those interested. I'd assume there's more info to come.

Study: Hunters Die After Consuming CWD-Infected Venison

A recent study in the journal Neurology found two hunters may have contracted the human form of Chronic Wasting Disease after eating CWD-infected deer meat

www.yahoo.com

Awfully click-baitish. Let's throw out lots of correlation and then add a little snip at the end that the ones doing the study havent actually connected the death to the deer meat. I especially like the line about he hunter regularly consumed CWD infected deer meat yet no indication of how they know this statement to be true. Did he have all of his deer tested? How many infected deer did he eat? Over what amount of time?

Forget the subject, this type of article or reporting just pisses me off. Stop with the grand standing already, just state the verifiable facts so people have good information. Is it really that hard?

 

[neonomad]

I know this is a bit of an old thread but thought I'd post this for those interested. I'd assume there's more info to come.

Study: Hunters Die After Consuming CWD-Infected Venison

A recent study in the journal Neurology found two hunters may have contracted the human form of Chronic Wasting Disease after eating CWD-infected deer meat

www.yahoo.com

https://www.neurology.org/doi/10.1212/WNL.0000000000204407

Again, CWD like a slow motion train wreck, I’m trying to think of one piece of good news I’ve ever heard about it. Generally it’s been a slow trickle of bad stuff. Extremely difficult to neutralize, uptake into crop plants (that we eat), eventually showed up here in Ohio, and now possible human transmission. Wicked problem.

 

[Jtaylor]

I've included the Neurology Journal link to the case study the Field and Stream article is referring to above. Here it is again for those interested: https://doi.org/10.1212/WNL.0000000000204407

 

[BTaylor]

I've included the Neurology Journal link to the case study the Field and Stream article is referring to above. Here it is again for those interested: https://doi.org/10.1212/WNL.0000000000204407

Thanks for that link. So based on that they dont know for sure if the deer he consumed were actually infected or not? We have a fairly significant area of the state here where we have CWD but as I understand it from conversations with AGFC staff and the Chief Vet. not all deer in the area test positive. I'm not sure if they have statistics on pct of population that test positive. I assume they do but I am not aware of those number.

I guess my really question is do you pull the fire alarm because you see someone with some matches or when you see smoke and flames? I'm not suggesting that CWD isnt a problem or that it might not be a problem for humans. There just seems to be a continual push to make it so rather than letting real medical and scientific data confirm it is. It's not like this is something new. There is what 50+ years of study so far with no evidence of cross species infection of humans. Can it mutate or adapt to cross species? Who knows. If it is confirmed that it can and does, then by all means sound the alarm.

 

[LAKY]

I don't really want to eat or feed my family meat from a diseased animal that can't be cooked out of it. Lots of diseases, bacteria, viruses can be cooked out. CWD prions can't. So, I'll probably start dropping off the lymph nodes at testing sites from my deer after I process them. I'll label the packages, and throw them out if the tests come back positive.

 

[Blacksmith]

Again, CWD like a slow motion train wreck, I’m trying to think of one piece of good news I’ve ever heard about it. Generally it’s been a slow trickle of bad stuff. Extremely difficult to neutralize, uptake into crop plants (that we eat), eventually showed up here in Ohio, and now possible human transmission. Wicked problem.

I sent over (60) heads in to the DNR this last summer and didn't here anything back from them! I dont even know if they were tested? We ate jerky from them all! They tell us it's non transferable but does anyone know for sure?