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Drone Deer Recovery

BowhunterXC said:
The first thing that rubbed me the wrong way was this guy saying it was the 3rd deer that he'd shot and not recovered. :mad:
Spend some damn time back at the house tuning your bow, arrows, broadheads and then educate yourself on deer anatomy and shot placement!!! :rolleyes: I see this too often and the commercialization of bowhunting would have hunters believe that faster bows, lighter arrows and wider cutting diameter broadheads is the cure...NOT!

As for the drone recovery, I thought it was awesome, but I'm not sure of the legal aspect, in Ohio.
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We are online talking to other serious bowhunters, and so we forget about the average skill level out there.
 
NMSbowhunter said:
I use my phone to mark spots of interest, but I don't trust it to get around. A while back I was using it to navigate, and things just weren't adding up. Then I noticed that according to the phone the sun was setting in the east. I use a dedicated GPS unit but always have a compass with me.

But there is a big difference in using a GPS to get you around safely and using a drone with thermal and night vision to pinpoint a buck so you can ease in and ambush it.
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Right.....but those spots of interest u see on the satellite pic u probably wouldn't know to go look there if u didn't have those photos available
 
gumby said:
Tech has hit fishing a lot harder and fast. I sometimes find it hard to believe a deer can make it thru a season with us using TECH and throw more in the game and it's gets harder to survive. Like it or not we have already bought into high TECH and will continue to.
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@gumby ,
You are 100% correct sir! :cool:
I've witnessed an angler as he watched his fishfinder screen of 12"x16", to see his own lure as he worked it past a fish. Then he watched the fish's reaction to the lure as it struck it and then he reeled him into the boat. Too much like a video game! :rolleyes:
I see this same technology leaking its' way into deer hunting too.
 
It took me a while to understand that hunting is really a sport. Not between a hunter and a deer. Deer can't play sports because they can't consent and understand the rules.

But it's absolutely a sport between hunters. We're all competing to see who can obtain a finite resource in a zero-sum game. Winners get bragging rights.

Anything that gives a hunter an edge in this game must be thoroughly vetted in the name of fairness to other hunters. Game cameras, compound bows, scentlok, handheld GPS units, private reserves, bait, lighted nocks...all of these cause quite a kerfuffle as we determine how much of an advantage they give and how attainable that advantage is for everybody.

Apparently, a good percentage of hunters feel like drone recovery gives other hunters a good edge, and/or is out of reach for them.

I wonder how views would shift if it was $100 or so, kinda like what a tracking dog goes for around here. Or if you could buy a tracking drone for $500.
 
i find this fascinating. i had this idea about 10 yrs ago when i lost a big one.
 
Nutterbuster said:
It took me a while to understand that hunting is really a sport. Not between a hunter and a deer. Deer can't play sports because they can't consent and understand the rules.

But it's absolutely a sport between hunters. We're all competing to see who can obtain a finite resource in a zero-sum game. Winners get bragging rights.

Anything that gives a hunter an edge in this game must be thoroughly vetted in the name of fairness to other hunters. Game cameras, compound bows, scentlok, handheld GPS units, private reserves, bait, lighted nocks...all of these cause quite a kerfuffle as we determine how much of an advantage they give and how attainable that advantage is for everybody.

Apparently, a good percentage of hunters feel like drone recovery gives other hunters a good edge, and/or is out of reach for them.

I wonder how views would shift if it was $100 or so, kinda like what a tracking dog goes for around here. Or if you could buy a tracking drone for $500.
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I think this comes down to how globally competitive of a person you are.

I'm not super competitive outside of sports/games that are explicit competitions (tennis, chess, etc).

Everyone knows folks that turn even social interactions into competitions. These folks also tend to try to be dominant at all times and are often overbearing. I just refuse to enter that game with them, which likely causes them to declare themselves the winner.

This might explain why folks that aren't like this find it somewhat obnoxious.
 
I looked through the Michigan Hunting Digest for laws pertaining to drones and the only mention is here:

"You may not hunt or pursue wild animals from a car, snowmobile, aircraft, drone, motorboat, personal watercraft, ORV or other motorized vehicle, or by a sailboat. Exceptions: See current-year Waterfowl Digest. Special permits may apply.

Regarding the use of dogs to track wounded deer, the Michigan Hunting Digest reads:

"You may not make use of a dog in hunting deer or elk, except that a dog may be used to locate a down or mortally wounded deer or elk if the dog is kept on a leash and those in attendance do not possess a firearm, crossbow or bow. Exception: If accompanied by a licensed dog tracker, a hunter may possess a firearm, a cocked crossbow or a bow with nocked arrow, only at the time and point of kill. If the tracking is done at night, artificial lights ordinarily carried in the hand or on the person may be used."

So in Michigan it's not real clear regarding using a drone for animal recovery (which is neither hunting or pursuing) but its use for recovery is not expressed, so my assumption is you would need to get permission from your local game warden before implementing it's use.

If legal, I think it would be another tool in any hunters arsenal to recover down animals that normally wouldn't be found, the same as the more common use of a tracking dog.

FYI: The FAA regards drones as aircraft and are governed by the same rules and protections. If you see a drone flying around your property and you shoot it down with a shotgun (as satisfying as that may be) it's a Federal offence and considered shooting down an aircraft.:oops:
 
Nutterbuster said:
It took me a while to understand that hunting is really a sport. Not between a hunter and a deer. Deer can't play sports because they can't consent and understand the rules.

But it's absolutely a sport between hunters. We're all competing to see who can obtain a finite resource in a zero-sum game. Winners get bragging rights.

Anything that gives a hunter an edge in this game must be thoroughly vetted in the name of fairness to other hunters. Game cameras, compound bows, scentlok, handheld GPS units, private reserves, bait, lighted nocks...all of these cause quite a kerfuffle as we determine how much of an advantage they give and how attainable that advantage is for everybody.

Apparently, a good percentage of hunters feel like drone recovery gives other hunters a good edge, and/or is out of reach for them.

I wonder how views would shift if it was $100 or so, kinda like what a tracking dog goes for around here. Or if you could buy a tracking drone for $500.
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If it were free, I would not use drones to track deer. You have to draw the line somewhere. Your analogy with sports is a good one. A lot of guys today are using tech like some athletes use steroids. If bionic arms and legs become widely available in the future, will we want them in the Olympics.

The fact is that if all you want is a giant buck to post up on facebook, you can just work some overtime and pinch your pennies and buy a high fence deer where the guide picks you up at the airport, you put your camo on in the truck on the way out, he tells you the buck will come by in the next hour and you can shoot it. Make sure to only shoot the buck with the gold tag in his ear. Then you are back on a plane for home on the red eye. You don't even need to touch your deer.
 
(half sarcastic) I don’t know who might need to hear this, but I want to send some words of encouragement to some of the younger hunters… you might be having a tough time making the money and saving the money to buy all this junk required to keep up in the tech arms race in the woods. But I want to you to know that a lot of the older guys who are starting to accumulate the higher end gear are also struggling, they are hurting too, because although they have the gear they no longer have the time, and their bodies are starting to feel the effects of gravity and oxidation. As for the guys in the sweet spot, with the money and the time and their physical peaks, take comfort in the fact that for most of them this will only last a few years. I’ve taken my little Mavic drone to my property no less than ten times in the off-season with intent to aerial scout, and I’ve only ever had the time to actually do it once in four years. As for the guys that can really pour the cash into killing infrastructure (scent proof blinds, $3000 crossbows, 5,000 lbs of shelled corn a month) you don’t want to become that guy anyway, as tempting as the devil makes it seem. Edit: “the obstacle is the way”
 
the 1 I want. thermal and zoom all for $14,700 plus tax. I feel for bowhunting it's a must have haha

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NMSbowhunter said:
If it were free, I would not use drones to track deer. You have to draw the line somewhere. Your analogy with sports is a good one. A lot of guys today are using tech like some athletes use steroids. If bionic arms and legs become widely available in the future, will we want them in the Olympics.

The fact is that if all you want is a giant buck to post up on facebook, you can just work some overtime and pinch your pennies and buy a high fence deer where the guide picks you up at the airport, you put your camo on in the truck on the way out, he tells you the buck will come by in the next hour and you can shoot it. Make sure to only shoot the buck with the gold tag in his ear. Then you are back on a plane for home on the red eye. You don't even need to touch your deer.
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raisins said:
I think this comes down to how globally competitive of a person you are.

I'm not super competitive outside of sports/games that are explicit competitions (tennis, chess, etc).

Everyone knows folks that turn even social interactions into competitions. These folks also tend to try to be dominant at all times and are often overbearing. I just refuse to enter that game with them, which likely causes them to declare themselves the winner.

This might explain why folks that aren't like this find it somewhat obnoxious.
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Many years ago, I had carried my Grandsons fishing, on the way home thru the forest they had to pee so I stopped on a logging road. As soon as they started peeing they had to see who could pee the furthest, they were maybe 5-6 yrs old. We are what we are.
 
Nutterbuster said:
It took me a while to understand that hunting is really a sport. Not between a hunter and a deer. Deer can't play sports because they can't consent and understand the rules.

But it's absolutely a sport between hunters. We're all competing to see who can obtain a finite resource in a zero-sum game. Winners get bragging rights.

Anything that gives a hunter an edge in this game must be thoroughly vetted in the name of fairness to other hunters. Game cameras, compound bows, scentlok, handheld GPS units, private reserves, bait, lighted nocks...all of these cause quite a kerfuffle as we determine how much of an advantage they give and how attainable that advantage is for everybody.

Apparently, a good percentage of hunters feel like drone recovery gives other hunters a good edge, and/or is out of reach for them.

I wonder how views would shift if it was $100 or so, kinda like what a tracking dog goes for around here. Or if you could buy a tracking drone for $500.
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I don't buy it.

Some people just enjoy the woods and the self-satisfaction and challenge of hunting deer.

Some hunters use methods and equipment that are less "advanced" because they enjoy a more "traditional" approach and/or the pursuit of a more challenging skill.

Some hunters actually help other hunters achieve success.

Then there are other hunters. Those who have different motivations and approaches, some of which are duplicitous and others that are illegal.

It's not a sport between hunters for many, many hunters.
 
gumby said:
Tech has hit fishing a lot harder and fast. I sometimes find it hard to believe a deer can make it thru a season with us using TECH and throw more in the game and it's gets harder to survive. Like it or not we have already bought into high TECH and will continue to.
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This a true statement. I used to be 100% against game cameras. My motto was " go out, use your woodsmanship skills and hunt them". I viewed people that used them as "lazy". Now I've changed my opinion since I bought a boat and started fishing heavily. We used to pull up to a spot and use our 2D fishfinders to see if they were down there, then we would scan left and right to see if there was cover around for fish to hide in. Now we can see em' out in front of us and then catch em'. This stuff is $$$ and tells you right where they are. I use some of it and have no problem doing so. When I apply that logic to hunting, I realized that I may have been a hypocrite. Now I say Game camera's are just a tool. This is just a mobile game camera. If it's used for recovery, I'm cool with it. With that said, part of me wants see all of this Tech stuff just go away. It would separate the men from the boy's.
 
Plebe said:
I don't buy it.

Some people just enjoy the woods and the self-satisfaction and challenge of hunting deer.

Some hunters use methods and equipment that are less "advanced" because they enjoy a more "traditional" approach and/or the pursuit of a more challenging skill.

Some hunters actually help other hunters achieve success.

Then there are other hunters. Those who have different motivations and approaches, some of which are duplicitous and others that are illegal.

It's not a sport between hunters for many, many hunters.
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100% agree. This forum is about the closest thing I do to bragging about a deer and it generally makes me uneasy doing it. I killed a buck 2 seasons ago and it was the next September before my best friend even saw a picture of it. I'm in it for the contest between me and the deer. That's it. It's too easy to just buy a 180 inch buck these days (literally) to believe what you see on social media.
 
gumby said:
Many years ago, I had carried my Grandsons fishing, on the way home thru the forest they had to pee so I stopped on a logging road. As soon as they started peeing they had to see who could pee the furthest, they were maybe 5-6 yrs old. We are what we are.
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Sure, have 2 guys skipping stones and they'll have fun seeing who can get the most skips.

There's a categorical difference though between this and what I'm talking about.
 
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