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Eberhart Signature Saddle Intro

I couldn’t watch all of it. What features does it have that the recon does not. I made it to the aluminum rings. What else?


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Besides the different D Loops the only thing that appears worth mentioning that is different is the rated belt buckle. I can’t say that would be enough to make me purchase one over the recon though. Oh it appears they are using the square buckles like AH uses on their leg straps on their kits to make the bridge adjustable. The bridge buckle shown in the video sticks out ten inches and appears to interfere with the tether carabiner when rotating. E said it’s going to be a lot shorter in the production models though
 
The rings, the belt. And I can't quite tell where/how the Recon bridge adjusts but it seems different as well.
 
The bridge doesn't seem like a big deal in my opinion. Such an easy thing to change out.

To each their own. I'm not on commission for the ESS or anything like that.

Simply trying to say that there are differences and a reason for every thing on the ESS and it is based on 40+ years.

If someone chooses to save $50 and misses out on a buck because they didn't have the metal D-rings or their bridge didn't allow them to fully rotate, it will be a great lesson learned.
 
$50 less but missing some of the features that John explains well in the video posted here and in literature. There is a reason, a true purpose, behind each little thing John does. So I wouldn't dismiss this over $50. The man has been using almost an identical set up for 40 years and has tweaked it along the way until it became the ESS. $50 for 40 years of wisdom - yeah, I'd buy that. Just because all of these are based off the original Anderson - Does Not make them all equal. Like I said, everything John does is very intentional, don't underestimate it.

Mautypsu,

I'm not sure I grasped the features you say John explains well in the video. Please note that these comments are made to help me better understand the features of the ESS compared to the Recon or Anderson slings.

First, the D-rings on the ESS appear to be a non-factor among the ESS, Recon and Anderson. The bridge is always going to settle opposite the webbing, just like the Anderson and the Recon. There doesn't appear to be a need for the bridge to slide all over the D-ring when it is just going to settle in the same exact spot every time. In the ESS video the bridge is always in the same position, opposite the webbing. To me, it's a feature that doesn't seem to have a functional advantage over the Anderson or Recon. Perhaps I'm missing something obvious which wouldn't be the first time. John's comments regarding the rings are in relation to the single panel saddles, not other slings. See the 23:07 to 23:24 marks of the ESS video. So it doesn't appear to be a functional difference with the Recon/Anderson slings, but with Tethrd's own products and other single panel saddles.

Second, the leg loops. For clarity, in chronology, the ESS video was shot before the Eberhart Outdoors prior video (note that the ESS video ends with a discussion of tether height and the prior video awkwardly starts with a comment on tether height). In John's response to VTbow's comment on the leg loops barely hanging on as shown in the prior video, John said he did not properly connect them. In the ESS video at the 7:59-8:00 mark, you can clearly see that the leg loops are fully connected properly and then subsequently become loose almost to the point of falling off the connection. This needs to be clarified or improved as the ESS video shows that the leg loops do not work as intended.
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While the belts are different among the ESS, Recon and Anderson, it is a feature that is not focused upon in the ESS video as most saddles/slings have appropriate belts. All appear to be functional. As John has stated in the past, you can't fall out of these types of slings.

Lastly, I would like to know where the ESS is manufactured as certain products from Tethrd are manufactured in China and not represented as such on their website. (In fact you could say they are misrepresented as there is a "Made in the USA" logo at the bottom of every Tethrd product page). If it is in fact made in China/overseas, I think it is curious to have the American Flag on the ESS (albeit in Tethrd colors) as shown at the beginning of the ESS video. The Recon is made in the US and sewn by a company that manufactures parachute gear. It is my understanding that the question has been asked, but to date, no one has answered the ESS manufacturing question. Hopefully someone who purchases an ESS will post its country of origin. While this may not be important for some, I know it is important to others, especially if there is an American Flag attached.

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Does the ESS come in different sizes? I think the Recon comes in three sizes, whereas the Anderson was only one size.

I look forward to some comparison videos. Perhaps John already has some videos to help better explain the ESS features.
 
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The belt - I can't say if/why it is better and maybe John would say it doesn't matter. But again, each difference is based on something he learned. So there could be a reason based on 40 years experience that aren't about cost savings or someone with less experience just trying to make it work.

The D-rings are very clearly a demonstrated advantage in the video. And I think all of us have experienced that webbing on webbing "stick" that occurs.

The bridge - it isn't about length or material. It is about where and how it is connected and adjusted. In the video, you will see John running the bridge through the tether. At one point you see where the adjustment on the bridge hangs up on the tether. He has changed that design since the prototype so this won't happen in even extreme twists/angles. I can't tell from what I've seen online that the same is true for the competitors we've discussed.
 
Oh, and my uninformed assumption is the leg straps will be cut off John's version before he hunts. And most of us would do the same. Of course he can't say that because of liability and he hasn't said that. I can share because I'm not associated at all so there is no liability for some dude running his mouth on a forum.

And I also can't speak to where it was made or the "made in USA" claim.
 
The D rings might or may not be better than the recon.
The bridge and seat connections will move as the angle moves.

Does this make it better? Only a direct independent comparison will tell us

If they don’t answer the question of where it is made. It likely is made in China. Some stuff from China is good quality but should be cheaper. Or just more profitable for Tethrd. Quality cannot be answered until someone has one. If jobs are important the recon is made in the USA and is cheaper.

The stitching on the recon is among the very best I have seen.


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40+ years of experience didn’t make the saddle you saw in that video. It was very clear that him using the legs straps and belt buckle were very foreign to him. Let’s be honest, he has 40+ years of experience in a sling and tethrd probably took the sling that he’s being using for years and added the belt buckle and leg straps (maybe updated his D loop design). I for one would have been more interested in the classic sling the he used to kill all those bucks In than a tethrd revamp. It doesn’t seem like a E signature series but a tethrd series on a Eberhart Classic.

I for one also didn’t like the comments about other companies will try and copy the sling from tethrd. The Anderson slings was a saddle from ages ago right? So whatever they come up with is an addition and a copy? Not to mention that The Recon has been out for a while now? Are they copying it? Or are they claiming that Recon is copying them.



Simply trying to say that there are differences and a reason for every thing on the ESS and it is based on 40+ years.
 
I personally think the ess will be a flop... lol anyone who wants a 2 panel saddle has tried a recon or now the Method from latitude.... they’re all good options don’t get me wrong but all I see is a recon with d rings or an old Anderson so him talking about others copying him is rediculous because all he did was copy multiple other company’s making the same thing... I wish him luck but honestly I’m surprised tethrd would put there name on it. Also this whole 40 yrs experience saga from him is rediculous being shoved down our throats... we get it, you saddle hunted dinosaurs!


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I personally think the ess will be a flop... lol anyone who wants a 2 panel saddle has tried a recon or now the Method from latitude.... they’re all good options don’t get me wrong but all I see is a recon with d rings or an old Anderson so him talking about others copying him is rediculous because all he did was copy multiple other company’s making the same thing... I wish him luck but honestly I’m surprised tethrd would put there name on it. Also this whole 40 yrs experience saga from him is rediculous being shoved down our throats... we get it, you saddle hunted dinosaurs!


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I think tethrd probably got their teeth into him and now his experience is just a part of the marketing. If it was up to John maybe he would have released his own version of the Anderson sling that he modded and had been using all these years.
 
We can debate which one is better all day but in the end it simply comes down to what the individual likes for them. Try them both if your interested and as always the loser of the two will sell on here in no time.
 

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We can debate which one is better all day but in the end it simply comes down to what the individual likes for them. Try them both if your interested and as always the loser of the two will sell on here in no time.

True. We really don’t know unless we have two and compare. There are differences.
I tried a method. If they had a larger size I might prefer it over a recon. I really liked the rope belt on it and a few other unique things. But the recon was more comfortable for me. That will not likely be true for a slightly smaller guy.
The tethrd sling might be more comfortable than a recon because the d ring is different. But MIGHT is the key word.

All three slings are similar but have small differences.


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True. We really don’t know unless we have two and compare. There are differences.
I tried a method. If they had a larger size I might prefer it over a recon. I really liked the rope belt on it and a few other unique things. But the recon was more comfortable for me. That will not likely be true for a slightly smaller guy.
The tethrd sling might be more comfortable than a recon because the d ring is different. But MIGHT is the key word.

All three slings are similar but have small differences.


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Exactly, if it’s the style of saddle you prefer then they should all be tried to find the right fit bc a small difference in one over the other may make a world of difference to the person using. I’m sure the ESS is designed the way it is by John but for a reason and I’m sure there was some compromise with Tethrd to ensure they got the safety features added. I’ve only tried a recon and was very impressed but I have a lot of gear on my saddle so these style saddles aren’t for me at least for now. That being said who doesn’t want to try them all just for S&G!
 
Exactly, if it’s the style of saddle you prefer then they should all be tried to find the right fit bc a small difference in one over the other may make a world of difference to the person using. I’m sure the ESS is designed the way it is by John but for a reason and I’m sure there was some compromise with Tethrd to ensure they got the safety features added. I’ve only tried a recon and was very impressed but I have a lot of gear on my saddle so these style saddles aren’t for me at least for now. That being said who doesn’t want to try them all just for S&G!

I think the method could handle gear on it just as well or better than any other saddle
Cinch the oplux tight raise and hook the lower panel so it isn’t pulling the saddle down. That is another good feature of the method, the way you can hook up the lower panel

I doubt any of the other slings are like the method for carrying gear
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I think the method could handle gear on it just as well or better than any other saddle
Cinch the oplux tight raise and hook the lower panel so it isn’t pulling the saddle down. That is another good feature of the method, the way you can hook up the lower panel

I doubt any of the other slings are like the method for carrying gear
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I’ll remember that for next year, this years slush funds is accounted for lol
 
Here is one Treehopper Recon review I found on Youtube by Madhunts Adventures. It explains the belt, bridge connections, bridge adjustments, leg straps, etc.


He has objective reviews. A comparison of all three slings would be great


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