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Eberhart Signature Saddle Intro

$50 less but missing some of the features that John explains well in the video posted here and in literature. There is a reason, a true purpose, behind each little thing John does. So I wouldn't dismiss this over $50. The man has been using almost an identical set up for 40 years and has tweaked it along the way until it became the ESS. $50 for 40 years of wisdom - yeah, I'd buy that. Just because all of these are based off the original Anderson - Does Not make them all equal. Like I said, everything John does is very intentional, don't underestimate it.
Enlighten me. I know he says early on that only the ESS has rings that let the sling slide, but the recon has that. Both are anderson clones. Recon is cheaper. I've been super happy with mine. I agree with the comment earlier on that the ESS is probably Tethrd's best saddle, but while I like John Eberhart I don't think his anderson is better than anyone elses.
 
Enlighten me. I know he says early on that only the ESS has rings that let the sling slide, but the recon has that. Both are anderson clones. Recon is cheaper. I've been super happy with mine. I agree with the comment earlier on that the ESS is probably Tethrd's best saddle, but while I like John Eberhart I don't think his anderson is better than anyone elses.

I wonder if the bridge will slide and change the pressure points as you move on the ESS
Certainly both allow the sling to slide
I was happy with my recon but the nephew wanted the low budget option.

But I do not know for sure if the sliding bridge will affect comfort.
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I like a few of the design features mainly the D-rings but feel they could be a touch smaller and still serve the purpose.
I was hoping for a adjustable amsteal bridge but after watching his video I see why they didn’t go with that over a webbing bridge because of binding on the rings which I agree is key.
The waist belt is nice but that’s not new others from this forum have already done that but I’m sure it works because without it a two panel design isn’t very user friendly.
I’ve spent a lot time in a Anderson and recon sling and I feel comfort wise they are very hard to beat but that comes with a price one is you just don’t slap it on and take off walking.
For me the best way is to wear it in is above my hips which I think he mentioned in the video.
If this design is anything like the recon you hardly know it’s on you and it can handle weight in pouches if done correctly.
Once I’m at the tree I then lower the bottom panel into position to climb and hunt.
I’m excited to try one out and see how I like it but I’ll be honest I’m concerned about one size fits all.
I’m not sure one size fits all in a two panel design is possible but the Tethrd guys know a few things about making saddles so hopefully that’s not a issue.



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The Treehopper Recon comes with a dump pouch (which the Recon is shipped in). Assuming a $15-$20 price point for a dump pouch, it's not a $50 difference, but a $65 to $70 difference between the Recon and ESS, apples to apples. Said differently, that is a 43% ($65/$150) to a 47% ($70/$150) premium for the ESS.
 
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I don’t have a clue if it’s made in China but very few companies are berry compliant I can’t stand when someone puts an American flag on something made in China. Aron at Kifaru was joking about a company, he didn’t name, that sews American flag patches which are made in China onto their products. Give me a break. Just be honest about this stuff. I’m happy to have a Kifaru pack that is completely made in the US!


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I will say that if it is manufactured any where other than USA they should get the American flag off the product whether or not if its their version of the flag or old glory herself. This is a very disrespectful misrepresentation of the product, if you want to act like your product is manufactured in the USA then build it here.
 
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From the comment section of the ESS Youtube video. John confirmed it is made/assembled in China. This still doesn't explain why the American Flag is stitched on it. It would be interesting if the tag line under the flag said "Made in US (or USA)", I can't tell from the video.... I wonder if the Tethrd website will update its manufacturing FAQ as it states all saddles are manufactured in the US. Unclear why John thinks he has to compete in the retail brick and mortar store market when most saddle/sling companies are on-line only. Just look at Tethrd itself. KUIU was the first to have the direct to consumer business model I believe (at least in the hunting industry).


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Thank you for the great video. Is it made in USA? Also, will the Tethrd crew help with ordering the correct accessories? Thank you again.

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Unfortunately it is being assembled in China (it will be tarriffed) with parts coming from all over. Keep in mind that I'm a sales representative in the hunting and fishing industry and know that to compete in the retail brick and mortar store market with similar price points as Hawk and Trophyline (both I assume are made in China) that the ESS had to at least be assembled at as low a cost as possible. The ESS was supposed to arrive in June and be sold into retail outlets as well as on-line in 2020 and obviously that didn't happen. That is the plan in 2021 though and although it will likely cost more than the Hawk or Trophyline saddles once all the required accessories are purchased, it is a far superior design and will be more versatile and comfortable. The factory in China is a premium factory that manufactures a lot of high end products for different hunting companies.
 
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My problem is the arrogance. I just can't stomach it. The Wraptor or some of the variations of it have metal rings for bridge attachment. Nobody copied Eberhart. It could be said the other way around. I guess if you have been sniffing your own quiver for 40 years you get used to the smell.

Just get a rch and sew up a sit drag and move on with your life. Save money and enjoy a diy project.
 
In my opinion the ESS is too little too late..... The "changes" made don't seem to enhance the sling, they seem to fit the mold that the manufacturer was trying to put the sling into so they could "...be sold into retail outlets as well as on-line in 2020"

I"ve modded a few andersons, this being my most refined one: https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?threads/my-modded-anderson.8281/

People have used the big d rings before, I have used them with high ropes courses and they are a PITA, loud, and get hung up on everything. Even the petzl open rings I used on the modded anderson were better as they had a lower profile.

The leg loops aren't safe in my opinion and are a poor choice for a 2 panel sling. Moving the bottom panel up and down introduces slack to the leg loops, and the "g-hooks" fall out. you would have to continuously be adjusting them to keep them hooked, and they are attached to the d ring....keeping them tight essentially tilts the ssling more in the upright position(more leaning than sitting) and defeats one of the bennefits of a sling, which John E. mentions: you dont feel like its riding up. To remove them, they'll have to be cut off. I like the rocen better in that all I had to do was slide them thought the webbing slot and they were gone..can be added back or passed on with it if I ever sell it(wont happen). No modifications needed.

IMO a sling is supposed to be simple and comfortable. Everything they added made it more complicated and "techy". The one feature I was really hoping they were able to come up with and stick to that I REALLY liked that John E. Developed with his modded anderson was the bridge/tether combo he had built out of the old trophy line tether. IT was adjustable with a slide buckle, and always stayed connected to his saddle, but still had the benefit of a bridge(unlike the original anderson). I believe @Nutterbuster has been experimenting with something similiar. Bringing something like that to market would have been innovative, and an example of what I believe John really brings to the table with his vast experience, instead of just capitalizing on him for marketing as it appears Tethrd has done for a couple years now.

On the made in china front, this has been discussed here before. I find it misleading, they go out of their way to say made in the USA all over their site and tote the US flag everywhere.... They have many products made over seas. This was brought up when sys haulers, and predator packs were starting to be made over seas. They never changed their wording or the image they were projecting, I dont expect them to do otherwise. Also, the Recon is made in the USA and cheaper, and the worksmanship is EXCELLENT, so it can be done, chances are just not at the profit margin the manufacturer is requiring for production along with the royalties John is going to get from it.

All in all everyone who is re-manufacturing the anderson is having to address 2 main things, leg loops, and a belt. Everything else is trivial. I think the ESS missed the mark on those, and though I can see Johns input in the saddle, I feel like it wasnt put at the top of the list and some of the features he probably really pushed for fell short- I"m a little bummed on this as I liked the modded one he developed on his own and has shared pictures of. I like the belt on the recon, but have tried at least 4 different options, included a 2" cobra buckle. The leg loops on the recon are just ok, they work, but arent rated-- I took mine off without effecting the integrity or modding the sling itself, an option I really like.
 
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The method has some original new ideas for a sling but for me the recon is slightly more comfortable. The EES has minimal innovation and it remains to be seen what is more comfortable.
As far as where it is made that matters to some people. If a saddle was made in Canada I would buy it.

Oh and big box stores are dying


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The problem with the ESS style saddle is it is very much a niche style. There is no way some average Joe walks into Bass Pro and looks at it and buys it. Not without a decent prior knowledge of saddles. The other style saddles maybe but the sling styles are a little harder to picture being comfortable. JX3 would sell like hot cakes in a box store.
 
Are the other tetherd saddles still made in the usa?

I believe so. Not sure why John didn’t just use their manufacturer for his saddle. I get the feeling this is an Eberhart saddle that Tethrd collaborated with on features and then are allowing him to sell it on their site.
 
I believe so. Not sure why John didn’t just use their manufacturer for his saddle. I get the feeling this is an Eberhart saddle that Tethrd collaborated with on features and then are allowing him to sell it on their site.

It’s a good test for them to see how an overseas saddle is received.


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The method has some original new ideas for a sling but for me the recon is slightly more comfortable. The EES has minimal innovation and it remains to be seen what is more comfortable.
As far as where it is made that matters to some people. If a saddle was made in Canada I would buy it.

Oh and big box stores are dying


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He has the right to make his saddle anywhere he chooses, but putting that pseudo American flag on the product trying to mislead people is what I have a problem with.
 
He has the right to make his saddle anywhere he chooses, but putting that pseudo American flag on the product trying to mislead people is what I have a problem with.
I agree with you on this. If you want to support china (and we all do somehow) that's fine but don't try to deceive me. I like to buy USA when I can. I bought the heliums and the https://novixoutdoors.com/products/mini-climbing-sticks and the quality of the American made novix is miles ahead of the china stuff
 
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