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Found a video of Ropeman Failure (unclear if it is a ropeman 1 or 2)

bj139 said:
The next time I get one stuck, I'll let you know. Don't hold your breath. I don't know why we are talking about 10 minutes of climbing training. That seems like a recipe for disaster with any method. In fact, that seems like exactly the thing @kyler1945 is warning about. Everyone needs many hours of climbing training.
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10 minutes was an arbitrary number. The point was if you trained someone for the same reasonable period of time(ok, say an hour) would the new climber be more risk adverse climbing SRT, or sticks with a linemans....An hour would be just enough time for someone to lean the absolute basics of SRT....probably enough to get off the ground and to be dangerous.

Now I'm really done...
 
Vtbow said:
10 minutes was an arbitrary number. The point was if you trained someone for the same reasonable period of time(ok, say an hour) would the new climber be more risk adverse climbing SRT, or sticks with a linemans....An hour would be just enough time for someone to lean the absolute basics of SRT....probably enough to get off the ground and to be dangerous.

Now I'm really done...
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Yes. I wouldn't do it.
 
Vtbow said:
And honestly, to think after 10 minutes of training someone could climb SRT with less risk than climb a set of sticks is ludicrous IMO.

Its ok though, I'm moving on. Good luck with your season.
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That is true of any climbing method. Ten minutes is not enough time to learn anything. However, SRT with the proper equipment and practice reduces most of the major risks compared to other methods more commonly used (often I suspect with less than 10 min of training). You are connected to the rope from the ground and you never need to disconnect from that rope. You never need to have any slack in your system. If you are using a belay device you don't even need to know how to tie any knots other than a simple stopper knot. Nobody can say the same for sticks, climbers, steps, or bolts.
 
Vtbow said:
So you think if you gave a person an un-threaded grigri, a coil of rope, a prussik cord, a few biners and a throw rope they would be safer getting up the tree(and down) than here's a linemans belt and a set of sticks? I think your experience is creating underlying bias. Naturally, if a person has ever climbed a ladder, they will have a preconceived method of how to get up the sticks, therefore they're concentrating more on proper linemans use than the climbing method itself. Less variables.
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Sure sticks are easier for people to understand. No way in hell does it make them safer. A lineman's belt is not safer than being directly connected to a climb line. Easier != safer. I would argue that often it is the opposite in that it instills false confidence.
 
Alrighty...

Ropeman bad. I'm on board with that.

As far as the 10 minute teaching thing, I think the point being made was that ceteris paribus, a newbie starting from scratch had just as much opportunity to hurt himself climbing SRT as with sticks. If I interpreted that right, I don't disagree with it at all.
 
Red Beard said:
I'm sorry buddy. Didn't mean it as a sucker punch. I was just taken aback by the slings snapping in thre video.

We'll hash this out later. I'm having too much fun watching the fire fight right now. :smile:
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No problem. I am less defensive in my old age than I was a month ago. :mask: It is all good. I have come to realize there is no best climbing method just a method each individual is comfortable with and they should use that one. I guess the new climbers don't have any idea what they are comfortable with so I will continue to suggest SRT. Your one platform method is cool as well.
 
kyler1945 said:
Who said that? I didn’t. Go back and read what I wrote. I’m asking very clear specific questions.
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Thank you, kyler1945. My brother and myself have been on a mission for several years now to stop all this millennial code talk. Its all over the news and social media anymore. No one cites facts and most people eat it up.


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Nutterbuster said:
Alrighty...

Ropeman bad. I'm on board with that.

As far as the 10 minute teaching thing, I think the point being made was that ceteris paribus, a newbie starting from scratch had just as much opportunity to hurt himself climbing SRT as with sticks. If I interpreted that right, I don't disagree with it at all.
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Yes. The 10 minute thing was a bad idea.
 
kyler1945 said:
“might stop you” not “will stop you”

It’s incredibly dangerous to say that a lineman’s belt will perform above and beyond its intended purpose on the internet. This is not a conversation amongst experienced climbers by a campfire as they discuss their experience. This is the internet. And thousands of eyes are watching this. And they are not experienced climbers. Someone WILL read your post, and interpret what you said at face value - they can depend on a lineman’s belt to prevent a fall. I know your intentions aren’t malicious. But this just plain wrong. Someone will die because of it.

It’s simple enough to speak clearly, and plainly about facts, and not take the easy slide into what our small individual sample sizes would lead us to believe.
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Ok,
It will stop you if used correctly, poleclimbers depended on them to keep them from falling for many years, as well as for work positioning. Poles would be more dangerous than trees, which can have rough bark, bumps, and stubs to help arrest a fall. On a pole, pushing against it helps with the slowing process. Years of experience leads to my conclusion that that lineman’s belt ropes will stop you in a tree, which doesn’t guarantee it will for everyone, pretty sure that can be said of just about everything.

Yes, this is the internet not instructions, things can’t be Gumby proofed, if someone is assuming otherwise, they are mistaken. Trial and error is a tough way to learn, experience and practice usually leads to more confidence,

Not looking to argue, or be right, just pointing out might be just as detrimental to talk in “absolutes.”
 
ThereWillBeSpuds said:
Climbing SRT with a grigri and arborist rope is safer than climbing sticks tied on with weed whacker line and a lineman belt made out of paracord attached to your Levis' belt loops with Keychain carabiners.

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Well I guess I am going to have to change my system now. I really was liking the super lightweight weed whacker line. :tearsofjoy:
 
Bama_Xander said:
Me too. There have been like 4 pages added to this thread in like half a day.

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I'm just happy I won't have to shell out for oplux when I want to switch to a thinner rope, 8mm sterling accessory cord is just as safe at a quarter the price, since no equipment or climbing method is inherently safer or more dangerous!

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