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Found a video of Ropeman Failure (unclear if it is a ropeman 1 or 2)

But some methods and equipment *are* safer than others. Climbing SRT with a grigri and arborists ropes is definitely safer than climbing sticks with daisy chains and a 4 step aider and an oplux linesman belt adjusted with a ropeman 1.

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Disagree. IF I took a random hunter into the woods that showed them in 10 minutes how to climb safely with sticks and a linemans, and then showed them in 10 minutes how to climb SRT or DRT, which method do you think the new climber would be more likely to get hurt using?

Nothing is "safer" you are just assuming different risks.
 
Disagree. IF I took a random hunter into the woods that showed them in 10 minutes how to climb safely with sticks and a linemans, and then showed them in 10 minutes how to climb SRT or DRT, which method do you think the new climber would be more likely to get hurt using?

Nothing is "safer" you are just assuming different risks.
Srt is actually really easy. If you load your grigri backwards you aren't getting off the ground in the first place. If you tie your distel incorrectly you aren't getting off the ground. All the safety equipment is also an integral part of the climb.

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Disagree. IF I took a random hunter into the woods that showed them in 10 minutes how to climb safely with sticks and a linemans, and then showed them in 10 minutes how to climb SRT or DRT, which method do you think the new climber would be more likely to get hurt using?

Nothing is "safer" you are just assuming different risks.
TIL: All things are equally safe. I'm going to start climbing with a plywood climber platform where you bear hug the tree and don't use a harness or tether at all!

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Disagree. IF I took a random hunter into the woods that showed them in 10 minutes how to climb safely with sticks and a linemans, and then showed them in 10 minutes how to climb SRT or DRT, which method do you think the new climber would be more likely to get hurt using?

Nothing is "safer" you are just assuming different risks.
It depends on the accident. With sticks, probably an injury, maybe severe. With SRT and a SLING (or 2 :mask:) attached to the ascender he may have to been talked into how to get down but no injury.
 
TIL: All things are equally safe. I'm going to start climbing with a plywood climber platform where you bear hug the tree and don't use a harness or tether at all!

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statistically, without knowing much about you, but basing it on your responses to the questions being asked of you and issues raised... I’m willing to bet you wouldn’t be much less “safe“ by the definition you’ve been implying, than your current method.
 
What definition do you think I am implying? I'm not sure what you are trying to say, that I wouldn't get off the ground?

I'm just saying it is absurd to say that no climbing method is safer than another. Thats clearly not true.

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What definition do you think I am implying? I'm not sure what you are trying to say, that I wouldn't get off the ground?

I'm just saying it is absurd to say that no climbing method is safer than another. Thats clearly not true.

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Who said that? I didn’t. Go back and read what I wrote. I’m asking very clear specific questions.
 
Srt is actually really easy. If you load your grigri backwards you aren't getting off the ground in the first place. If you tie your distel incorrectly you aren't getting off the ground. All the safety equipment is also an integral part of the climb.

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So you think if you gave a person an un-threaded grigri, a coil of rope, a prussik cord, a few biners and a throw rope they would be safer getting up the tree(and down) than here's a linemans belt and a set of sticks? I think your experience is creating underlying bias. Naturally, if a person has ever climbed a ladder, they will have a preconceived method of how to get up the sticks, therefore they're concentrating more on proper linemans use than the climbing method itself. Less variables.
 
By @kyler1945 s logic, using a hangman's noose as a safety harness is no more dangerous than using an ANSI rated full body harness with a shock absorber. At least its not any more dangerous until I explain to him exactly why it is.

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Linemans belt will stop you from falling, but only after sliding down a little ways. The Treesquezes came about to prevent the sliding, but pole climbers for many years only used a strap. I would use the LB when going up, keeping it as high behind the tree as possible, and always leaning back into it. This also keeps from pinching your fingers as they are at your hips. The plastic zip strips on the tether are a good idea, but unnecessary if using the LB to its full potential. A line preset in the tree would eliminate the tedious process of advancing the tether, with the LB to keep you next to the tree.
I think it's "full potential" involves telephone poles.
 
Who said that? I didn’t. Go back and read what I wrote. I’m asking very clear specific questions.
HE is implying it from my statemnt here:
Disagree. IF I took a random hunter into the woods that showed them in 10 minutes how to climb safely with sticks and a linemans, and then showed them in 10 minutes how to climb SRT or DRT, which method do you think the new climber would be more likely to get hurt using?

Nothing is "safer" you are just assuming different risks.

Which wasn't a blanket statement, but a comparison of comparably ACCEPTED climbing methods and safety systems.
 
By @kyler1945 s logic, using a hangman's noose as a safety harness is no more dangerous than using an ANSI rated full body harness with a shock absorber. At least its not any more dangerous until I explain to him exactly why it is.

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i appreciate your humor. At least you have that going for you. I realize now this conversation is not in good faith, and it’s about scoring points. You win, my friend. Good luck and be “safe”.
 
So you think if you gave a person an un-threaded grigri, a coil of rope, a prussik cord, a few biners and a throw rope they would be safer getting up the tree(and down) than here's a linemans belt and a set of sticks? I think your experience is creating underlying bias. Naturally, if a person has ever climbed a ladder, they will have a preconceived method of how to get up the sticks, therefore they're concentrating more on proper linemans use than the climbing method itself. Less variables.
If you give a random person just a set of sticks and a linesman belt with no demo, most of them will probably just climb the sticks with no backup because linesman belts aren't actually that intuitive...

Edit: what i am saying is that in that situation the SRT person is likely still on the ground and the stick person likely climbed with no backup.

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HAHAHA!

I prefer to keep my sack in my crotch thanks!
I searched SRT on SH and got posts back to 2016 when all the cool kids were going to do it. After they found out they could not get the line up, they sold all their SRT equipment. I still don't understand that one. It is no more difficult than throwing a football. If you can't do it, then sticks are fine.
 
If you give a random person just a set of sticks and a linesman belt with no demo, most of them will probably just climb the sticks with no backup because linesman belts aren't actually that intuitive...

Edit: what i am saying is that in that situation the SRT person is likely still on the ground and the stick person likely climbed with no backup.

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My original statement gave an arbitray period of "training", so that comment really has nothing to do with the scenario. You didn't answer my question though--and I dont think you can honestly say someone can naturally climb SRT "Safer" than sticks, which is why you didnt. With hours and hours of practice and training from a qualified individual maybe in a perfect environment.
 
I searched SRT on SH and got posts back to 2016 when all the cool kids were going to do it. After they found out they could not get the line up, they sold all their SRT equipment. I still don't understand that one. It is no more difficult than throwing a football. If you can't do it, then sticks are fine.
It may be a totally valid method(and many people do it with efficiency and ease after a ton of practice) But it isn't a reasonable method for me where I hunt.
 
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