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Found a video of Ropeman Failure (unclear if it is a ropeman 1 or 2)

bj139 said:
I searched SRT on SH and got posts back to 2016 when all the cool kids were going to do it. After they found out they could not get the line up, they sold all their SRT equipment. I still don't understand that one. It is no more difficult than throwing a football. If you can't do it, then sticks are fine.
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I hate the throwbag.

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I am planning to take my SRT equipment and a few kids rock climbing harnesses to Thanksgiving. I was going to teach my nieces who are about age 10, 9 and 7 how to climb SRT this past spring but Covid nixed that. They have a tree in their front yard which is not too high and if it is too cold or if it rains they have a 8 foot basement beam. If I do, I will report back whether it worked or not. Bicycle helmet.
 
Vtbow said:
My original statement gave an arbitray period of "training", so that comment really has nothing to do with the scenario. You didn't answer my question though--and I dont think you can honestly say someone can naturally climb SRT "Safer" than sticks, which is why you didnt. With hours and hours of practice and training from a qualified individual maybe in a perfect environment.
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I climbed srt with no instruction outside YouTube and reading. Had no trouble outside the throwbag drama. If we go back to the ten minute training period I stand by SRT, like I said, if they dont set it up right they aren't getting off the ground. Sticks are very easy to abuse.

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ThereWillBeSpuds said:
I climbed srt with no instruction outside YouTube and reading. Had no trouble outside the throwbag drama. If we go back to the ten minute training period I stand by SRT, like I said, if they dont set it up right they aren't getting off the ground. Sticks are very easy to abuse.

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Ok. Just keep in minds people can get things 99% correct and get off the ground. It's that 1% they don't do correct that kills them.

There are many other variables that need to be accounted for when using all the gear involved in SRT you aren't taking into consideration. Ever seen someone's hair get stuck in a rappel device 100ft up the side of a cliff? Or a hoody string? Or someone slip on rappel and swing towards a cliff or a tree--first thing they do naturally is let go of everything to keep from smacking themselves on the cliff. I don't think you acknowledge (or are aware of maybe?) all the inherent risks with the gear and techniques you are using.

And honestly, to think after 10 minutes of training someone could climb SRT with less risk than climb a set of sticks is ludicrous IMO.

Its ok though, I'm moving on. Good luck with your season.
 
Vtbow said:
And honestly, to think after 10 minutes of training someone could climb SRT with less risk than climb a set of sticks is ludicrous IMO.
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I'm especially intrigued at how they will handle things like screwing up with a throwball and getting their rope stuck halfway set in the tree.
 
mattsteg said:
I'm especially intrigued at how they will handle things like screwing up with a throwball and getting their rope stuck halfway set in the tree.
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Pull the retrieval rope you attached behind the knot before you started pulling the rope up...

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mattsteg said:
You haven't tried this much, have you? It's not that foolproof.

There's a good chance that they desperately try something super sketchy.
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I have never gotten a rope stuck... I have put my rope in dozens of trees and it comes down every time.

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Anyway, not sure how this thread became about the relative merits of climbing sticks and SRT, but yeah, ropemans have the potential to strip the sheath off ropes and even sever cores with relatively mild falls. There is a video of that above.



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ThereWillBeSpuds said:
Anyway, not sure how this thread became about the relative merits of climbing sticks and SRT, but yeah, ropemans have the potential to strip the sheath off ropes and even sever cores with relatively mild falls. There is a video of that above.



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People have told me it would not be good to fall onto my toothed ascender which I use as a backup to my Safeguard. It is nice to know the worst that could happen would be a de-sheathed rope and me hanging by the core.
 
ThereWillBeSpuds said:
I have never gotten a rope stuck... I have put my rope in dozens of trees and it comes down every time.

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Maybe I'm more ambitious in tree selection...or maybe you're blinded by your successes. Given the mentions here of people getting ropes suck, doing the "climb of shame" when rappelling, etc...I have a feeling that the chance of a bad situation is very much nonzero.
 
mattsteg said:
Maybe I'm more ambitious in tree selection...or maybe you're blinded by your successes. Given the mentions here of people getting ropes suck, doing the "climb of shame" when rappelling, etc...I have a feeling that the chance of a bad situation is very much nonzero.
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I have gotten a rope stuck until I figured out how to do it right. See video #2 above.
It works the same way with a crotch.
 
bj139 said:
I have gotten a rope stuck until I figured out how to do it right. See video #2 above.
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We all know that it's possible to not get a rope stuck. But for an inexperienced climber? On a tree not as trivially easy as the one in your video?
 
mattsteg said:
We all know that it's possible to not get a rope stuck. But for an inexperienced climber? On a tree not as trivially easy as the one in your video?
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The next time I get one stuck, I'll let you know. Don't hold your breath. I don't know why we are talking about 10 minutes of climbing training. That seems like a recipe for disaster with any method. In fact, that seems like exactly the thing @kyler1945 is warning about. Everyone needs many hours of climbing training.
 
bj139 said:
The next time I get one stuck, I'll let you know. Don't hold your breath. I don't know why we are talking about 10 minutes of climbing training. That seems like a recipe for disaster with any method.
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If you always hunt trees like that, you'll be fine. Relatively smooth bark, and relatively free of complications. You'll certainly find others who specifically advise against what works for you...because it failed for them, usually on higher-friction, rugged-barked trees where attaching to the loop side can fail.
 
mattsteg said:
If you always hunt trees like that, you'll be fine. Relatively smooth bark, and relatively free of complications. You'll certainly find others who specifically advise against what works for you...because it failed for them, usually on higher-friction, rugged-barked trees where attaching to the loop side can fail.
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I hunt many trees. I just can't fit them all in one video. Yesterday's hunt.
 
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