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Heavy Arrows

I'm shooting Carbon Express Mayhem SDS Hunters, 11.25 gpi 330 spine with half-out inserts and 125 gr Magnus Stingers. Total arrow weight 565 grains. Nock and bare shaft tuned, out of a Mathews NoCam HTR 30" draw at 70 lbs. Seems to be a good compromise of speed and penetration.
 
enkriss said:
I have. They quiet the bow down sure but arrow flight and being more forgiving...nah
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Yea, 30 years of experience and a engineering degree to back everything that is mentioned by others that support this and educate those that doesn't know. I don't debate, I state facts
 
I'm shooting the TDT's. 320 spine. Bought them last year. I saved a couple bucks and got the factory seconds and had them double cut which according to them solves the not perfect shaft. Running that shaft, 200gr Massai, and insert puts me at 571gr and 24% FOC per the chart. Haven't put it through a deer yet but they fly amazing and are much quieter than my lighter arrow setup. Are they necessary? No. But I want to be as ethical as possible should the opportunity present itself.
 
I believe the heavy arrow stuff to a degree as well, however, I am not an engineer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night...

That being said - Black Eagle X-Impact 250s (29.5 carbon to carbon) with 180gr of Ethics SS insert/outsert and 125gr Magnus Stingers and trying out 125hr Iron Will (solids) this year - 622gr total arrow weight
 
EVERY engineer I’ve ever met wants to apply their solution to a “problem” wether it’s an actual problem or not


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I’m not seeing a consistent difference between 125gr, 250gr, and 300gr at 12 yds into a relatively new target w same Maxima Red 250 arrow. I’m shooting a Diamond at 68#.

I have all these different field points at various weights from tuning arrows for recurve.

I do believe this is worthy of some bonifide testing. I’m taking that for action!


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Jebster said:
I’ve been an engineer for about 25 years, we tend avoid people that talk this kinda crap!!.


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Oops lol
All fun no harm man


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Jebster said:
I’m not seeing a consistent difference between 125gr, 250gr, and 300gr at 12 yds into a relatively new target w same Maxima Red 250 arrow. I’m shooting a Diamond at 68#.

I have all these different field points at various weights from tuning arrows for recurve.

I do believe this is worthy of some bonifide testing. I’m taking that for action!


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Off topic a bit but unless your arrows are super short, Ie 25 inches you may want to consider shooting 350 spine max reds.
As you add weight out front it does cause spine to effectively soften.
For example I am shooting 27” 350’s out of my 70# bowtech with 125 grain tips.
Previous years I was shooting 250’s with the old popular 100 grain tips


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brianisoutside said:
Off topic a bit but unless your arrows are super short, Ie 25 inches you may want to consider shooting 350 spine max reds.
As you add weight out front it does cause spine to effectively soften.
For example I am shooting 27” 350’s out of my 70# bowtech with 125 grain tips.
Previous years I was shooting 250’s with the old popular 100 grain tips


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Thank you ... so when I tuned recurve arrows a weak spine showed up with a tail left. What would I see in a center shot compound-shot arrow?


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brianisoutside said:
Off topic a bit but unless your arrows are super short, Ie 25 inches you may want to consider shooting 350 spine max reds.
As you add weight out front it does cause spine to effectively soften.
For example I am shooting 27” 350’s out of my 70# bowtech with 125 grain tips.
Previous years I was shooting 250’s with the old popular 100 grain tips


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Wait a minute,you went to a weaker spine when you switched to a heavier broadhead?
Wrong direction,no?
 
Finally started putting my arrows together today. 300 Vulcan with a 200 insert. I was gonna go with a 150gr Magnus head, but back order issues and out of stock. So ended up with Maasai 200gr heads. Paper tuned a little to see how it flies. Still looks good. So I'm at about 685 gr. I noticed the sound the 200gr tips make into brick house target vs. the 150gr is much deeper thud. Like you can hear the difference. Its way more than I need on white tail I'm sure. But flies good. I don't want to worry about shoulders. To many liver hits.
 
I compromised went from 350 taw w/rage to 515 taw with tooth of an arrow. 26.5" draw @60lbs. Shooting 234 fps. 25 ish yards was and still is my max range. I noticed my bow is quieter and the target now wobbles upon impact! If my draw was longer I'd consider a heavier taw. Definitely see both sides of the discussion.

Be safe out there!

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BuffaloBill said:
Actually just ordered the Lil Buddy one because my wife was going to order something else on Amazon. For the price it's not a huge loss if I shoot it up.
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Did you get the Lil buddy target yet? Thoughts? How's the size and durability? I'm slowly building a small 3d course at my house and this looks like a cheaper alternative at some stations.
 
SEPA@73 said:
I compromised went from 350 taw w/rage to 515 taw with tooth of an arrow. 26.5" draw @60lbs. Shooting 234 fps. 25 ish yards was and still is my max range. I noticed my bow is quieter and the target now wobbles upon impact! If my draw was longer I'd consider a heavier taw. Definitely see both sides of the discussion.

Be safe out there!

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What bow are you shooting? I have a 26” draw and am looking to upgrade to a new one next year. Looks like most in my draw length will lose a ton of speed with a heavy arrow.
 
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