rutjr
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Congratulations Kurt
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HELP Just single lunged a buck
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Coathanger15
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I'm really happy for you and followed this thread closely. If you dontmind sharing, what is your arrow and setup? Arrow length, GPI, Tip weight and broadhead style? Thank you and congrats again. Way to work for it!
Kurt
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It was the Rage Trypan. I think it was a couple of factors. I took the leg straps and duct taped them because I thought I would see if I actually need them., it turns out I do. If I had my leg straps on it would have gone way better. Because when it slid up, it torqued my body into an unfamiliar position. I'd never practiced without the leg straps. LESSON #1 Don't change a major thing mid season without being well practiced.Also I found myself a little under gunned when it comes to a fact of information regarding the actual dimensions of mature ish whitetails chest cavity. Also I misjudged the penetration slightly. It was 11 inches total as best I can tell from the arrow. Anything we can do to shoot an arrow with the maximum penetration. If it doesn't cost us any more why not? LESSON#2 I'd rather have maximum penetration and not need it, over needing it and not having it, at least for me. The expandable uses energy to deploy, I see in my future using that energy to penetrate. I've only shot expandables last year and this.So only 4 deer total, 2 nice bucks, a spike, and one doe. I shot the spike because he was my first from the saddle. The Rage was devastating for me last year. Can't blame it all on the broadhead. My body was torqued.
Kurt
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Happy to share.
Kurt
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I gonna assume your a lefty.
28 1/2 inch FMJs @ 11.3 gpi, 100gr Rage Trypan. Two inch cut, Lighted nock. 72 lbs.
Congrats, turned out to be a great shot! Sometimes they can soak up a double lung hit pretty good. Most will be down in less than 100 yards but I've had a few run a ways like yours. Glad you found him!
I shoot trypans as well last couple of years, and keep the draw down at 50 due to some wrist issues a while back. I'm surprised it didn't pass through (assuming the torque had a notable effect). Last year i had one shot a touch forward and low that shattered an old doe's leg and did its work (penetrated to backside shoulder). As long as it gets to the far side of the cavity and is trackable I'd rather cut more than pass through. Everything's a tradeoff. My experience with the trypans has been deer traveling no more than 50 yards or so.
I also had a very similar shot a couple of weeks ago (weak side dangle on a tree that takes a 30 degree bend from ROS height to tether height). Glad I keep my straps on!
Kurt
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Yep 20 yds. I stopped because he appeared to be heading uphill and I figured if he had enough juice to start climbing I wasn't going to find him close. unbeknownst to me he turned 120 deg and went down the hill and dropped. I would have to have been really close to him because he went down in brush with his back towards the last blood. Being so close is what bothers me the most. It makes me wonder if I just stuck with it could I have figured it out?
No point in second guessing your actions.... It's done and can't be changed. Just use the info you learned for next time
Kurt
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Honestly, I would have preferred the hit to be a little lower, with the exit in the white on the far side. It was a good shot. A high entry and no exit is a tough one. Now if that deer was shot in the morning, totally different outcome. I hunt from 17 -20 feet when I use my tree stands. I'm always 25-30 feet in the saddle. with deer in close the entry has to be a little higher to get that good cross sectional shoot through. I could have hit him lower.
Kurt
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I should change the thread name to help I just double lunged a buck high with a pin prick for an exit wound.
Absolutely (and a great reminder of shot angle - thanks for the autopsy). Just surprised you didn't pass through.
Kurt
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I'll get more info when I process him. I know I hit a rib on the entry side and missed the rib on the far side. Don't know if the backstrap was in play, I don't think so. I have to think that the arrow, although on target, may have gone in at an angle because of the shooting form, and we all know that that arrow needs to be flying straight at impact to maximize penetration. That's why I can't bash the Trypan only, but I can say for definite that a fixed blade or cut on contact broadhead would have given me better penetration, an exit wound and that would have been helpful.
Kurt
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The reason I switched to an expandable in the first place was with the smaller head I was shooting ( NAP Nitron) I wasn't always getting the blood bath I was looking for even on perfect hits. As I get older I have a little more trouble seeing scant blood sign I used to ferret out easier when the vision was better. I was hoping the Trypan would be the answer for me, and last year it worked perfect for me. But it's performance on less than ideal circumstances left me with the exact situation I was trying to get away from. So the thought for me is what's more important, an arrow that performs well under ideal conditions but no so great when conditions aren't ideal or an arrow that will kill em dead when things are ideal and will take you through when things aren't perfect. I'll be looking at increasing arrow weight, increasing FOC. and going back to a head that helps maximize penetration. I want to be over gunned, not just suitably gunned.
Just to play devil's advocate - say you'd missed rearward rather than forward/high/whatever you want to call this (double-lunger). Say liver/gut/etc. The extra cutting diameter probably makes those recoveries a lot easier/more likely.
gadrenalin
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Glad you found him!
tyson12590
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Everyone's broadhead choice is personal and I do not want to dissuade you from switching back to a fixed blade, but I would like to give some food for thought. It seems to me that many of the mechanical shooters are using 400-475 grain total arrow weights. After not getting the penetration they want, they often jump to a heavier setup with a fixed blade. It seems to me that a heavier set up with a mechanical may be a happy medium that is the "best of both worlds". I imagine that a 550+ grain set up would have likely gotten that offside exit hole you were hoping for. I recognize that a heavier arrow will increase your pin gaps but I feel that its a worthy trade off. Before going back to a fixed blade with minimal blood trails, consider trying a season with a heavier mechanical set up. Just my 2 cents. So glad you got your buck!
Kurt
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Yes I did salvage the front half and my shot placement was spot on as far as where I thought I hit him. It did end up being a double lung hit with 11 inches of penetration. That trypan tip must have poked a hole in the skin on the off side to just let drops of blood out. I couldn't find it from the outside but when I skin him I'll get the "hole story."