HELP Just single lunged a buck

[Kurt]

Just to play devil's advocate - say you'd missed rearward rather than forward/high/whatever you want to call this (double-lunger). Say liver/gut/etc. The extra cutting diameter probably makes those recoveries a lot easier/more likely.

I know. I'm trying to toss around a lot of info to make the best setup for me. I thought about increasing total arrow weight and loading up on FOC. If I use the Trypan then will that be the perfect combo for me? Do I just set it up looking at only maximum penetration? Lots to think about. Can't really change anything right now but time to ponder and make changes moving forward. For sure changes will be made. Just not sure what they will be yet.

 

[Kurt]

Everyone's broadhead choice is personal and I do not want to dissuade you from switching back to a fixed blade, but I would like to give some food for thought. It seems to me that many of the mechanical shooters are using 400-475 grain total arrow weights. After not getting the penetration they want, they often jump to a heavier setup with a fixed blade. It seems to me that a heavier set up with a mechanical may be a happy medium that is the "best of both worlds". I imagine that a 550+ grain set up would have likely gotten that offside exit hole you were hoping for. I recognize that a heavier arrow will increase your pin gaps but I feel that its a worthy trade off. Before going back to a fixed blade with minimal blood trails, consider trying a season with a heavier mechanical set up. Just my 2 cents. So glad you got your buck!

Exactly what I was thinking after I came down from my I didn't get a pass through blues. Initially my thought was go for maximum penetration only. I want to wait and let the situation sink in some so I don't over react.

 

[EricS]

I put the trypans into three deer this year. One smacked a shoulder bone and didn’t penetrate much past the ferrule. Of the other two one was a pass through and ran maybe 40 yards. The blood trail started where the deer was standing at the shot. The second was quartering away and stopped in the offside shoulder. Left zero blood trail but I watched it run 30 yards and fall over dead. The single bevel crowd are saying that their blood trail takes a while to get flowing good. I thing I’m going to shoot the same heads next year and add a 100 grain insert and do my best to stay off the shoulder. The only real complaint I have is they are pretty much one shot wonders. They seem to bend easy.

 

[DaWiz9578]

I think part of heavy arrow/high foc for penetration always going hand in hand with a fixed broadhead is you're setting up an arrow to plow through bone and I dont know that mechanicals are robust enough to stand up to that job reliably. I'm not trying to sway the crowd one way or the other. I'd love to have max penetration through whatever it hits and paint bucket blood trails just dont know of it's possible to have the best of both worlds.

I'm almost in the opposite camp as kurt, I had almost the best application for my mechanical (given the poor gut/intestine shot) and it still didnt work. In the end I'm upset at myself for screwing up the shot. The broadhead is just a tool and I used it incorrectly that day.

Not saying adjusting foc, arrow weight different broadhead whatever wont show some improvements, but in the end put it where it needs to be and it will do its job. I thought I practiced enough last year, which I'm pretty sure I did more than most but I'll have to bump it up next year...some different angles, body positions, clothing any variable I can think of....and I'll still probably be faced with something unexpected

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[Kurt]

I got a couple of days before I skin em out I want to see if the scapula came into play. Can't see that from inside the chest cavity. That would be good info to have. I know that the broadhead and the arrow shaft were damaged, which leads me to believe that the scapula did come into play, to what degree we'll see. If that's the case I guess I couldn't ask for a expandable to do any more. It made it through both lungs and the point pierced the skin on the far side. @DaWiz9578, and @EricS both bring up good points. The Trypan isn't designed to stand up to the force that a solid impact like bone will put on it. Would setting up heavier make a difference if you exceed the capabilities of the broadhead?

 

[Kurt]

I think part of heavy arrow/high foc for penetration always going hand in hand with a fixed broadhead is you're setting up an arrow to plow through bone and I dont know that mechanicals are robust enough to stand up to that job reliably. I'm not trying to sway the crowd one way or the other. I'd love to have max penetration through whatever it hits and paint bucket blood trails just dont know of it's possible to have the best of both worlds.

I'm almost in the opposite camp as kurt, I had almost the best application for my mechanical (given the poor gut/intestine shot) and it still didnt work. In the end I'm upset at myself for screwing up the shot. The broadhead is just a tool and I used it incorrectly that day.

Not saying adjusting foc, arrow weight different broadhead whatever wont show some improvements, but in the end put it where it needs to be and it will do its job. I thought I practiced enough last year, which I'm pretty sure I did more than most but I'll have to bump it up next year...some different angles, body positions, clothing any variable I can think of....and I'll still probably be faced with something unexpected

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I agree. If that shot is down and back 2 more inches each, it's perfect. I blame my self mostly. I practiced all off season more or less, but I never shot without the leg straps fastened. What ever made me think it would be a good idea to change such a big thing in the middle of the season?

 

[ThePennsylvanian]

I agree. If that shot is down and back 2 more inches each, it's perfect. I blame my self mostly. I practiced all off season more or less, but I never shot without the leg straps fastened. What ever made me think it would be a good idea to change such a big thing in the middle of the season?

@Kurt ~ regardless of the setup, it did its job! You recovered the animal. Seriously, you should have any bad taste in your mouth at all right now! Congrats on on heck of a buck and an even better story!

 

[Kurt]

@Kurt ~ regardless of the setup, it did its job! You recovered the animal. Seriously, you should have any bad taste in your mouth at all right now! Congrats on on heck of a buck and an even better story!

Your right. I have a lot to be grateful for.I know that that buck didn't suffer long, the shot was fatal and I'll salvage some meat.

 

[ofor]

Congrats Kurt. Glad you found him.

 

[DaWiz9578]

@Kurt ~ regardless of the setup, it did its job! You recovered the animal. Seriously, you should have any bad taste in your mouth at all right now! Congrats on on heck of a buck and an even better story!

...good point

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[Apex7]

Glad you found him . I had a feeling you got both lungs and he was bleeding internally and a deer can cover a lot of ground in a short time.

 

[boyne bowhunter]

Well good morning boys I was so close last night 20 yards it looked like he was starting to go uphill so I called it a night to come back this morning he cut back south because it was downhill in this little trough between two ridges I found him unfortunately last night the coyotes found him to. I'm sitting here a little heartbroken this morning I'm very grateful that I found him I appreciate all your input very very much I cannot say thank you to you all enough but thank you thank you thank you

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Congrats on a Great Buck @Kurt!

 

[DaWiz9578]

Just watch the last couple minutes. This is why I want to go to a heavy penetrating arrow. 2 small holes I think is better than 1 big one.

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[Kurt]

Just watch the last couple minutes. This is why I want to go to a heavy penetrating arrow. 2 small holes I think is better than 1 big one.

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Great video. I guess if we should take the advice of someone that guy has seen his fair share of scenarios. I'd like to toss some thoughts around but right now I got to get out in them woods. Thanks for posting this.

 

[Apex7]

Just watch the last couple minutes. This is why I want to go to a heavy penetrating arrow. 2 small holes I think is better than 1 big one.

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I shoot a 403 grain Carbon Express Maxima Hunter arrow at 285 fps at over 71 foot pounds of kinetic energy that's enough energy to take down any whitetail in North America and I never had a problem with penetration. What do you consider a heavy arrow? I get pass-throughs with Rage or Slick Tricks or Ramcats and I agree shot placement is every thing . But I don't need a 500 or 600 grain arrow to get a pass- through.

 

[DaWiz9578]

I shoot a 403 grain Carbon Express Maxima Hunter arrow at 285 fps at over 71 foot pounds of kinetic energy that's enough energy to take down any whitetail in North America and I never had a problem with penetration. What do you consider a heavy arrow? I get pass-throughs with Rage or Slick Tricks or Ramcats and I agree shot placement is every thing . But I don't need a 500 or 600 grain arrow to get a pass- through.

If you shots are always properly placed you can get away with a light arrow, mechanical broadhead, etc. Its for the instance where something doesnt line up or the deer ducks and you catch a shoulder or some other bone, just preparing for that scenario so that you still manage a pass through.

The only time a mechanical is more beneficial in a less than ideal shot, from what I hear, is a gut shot because it will open them up more, catch a vessel or artery with longer reach or spine them. But from the video i believe what hes sayin is pass through is the key above cutting diameter. So miss back into the guts, you'll get a pass through with a heavier arrow. Maybe not as much cut skin/stomach whatever, but the pass through and post shot procedure is the key to recovery. Miss forward and you'll still get penetration (hopefully, if you set your self up with a heavy fixed blade). If you forward with a mechanical you may just wound.

Again to each their own. I know mechanicals work. I shot a doe earlier this season quartering away pretty hard and I tucked it right under her rib cage and slammed into the opposite shoulder blade rib cage (no exit wound), which I knew was a possibility, but I also knew I would shred both lungs. I had almost paint bucket bucket trail from her nose/mouth. So they work. Also gut/intestine shot a buck with no recovery. He went +500 yds without bedding. So this time it didnt work. What do you do? It wasnt the broadheads fault, it was poor shot placement, I think due to altered anchor with all the arctic clothing I had on.

Just think I feel more prepared and more confident in my equipment if I know I've given myself the best opportunity for pass through if for some reason my shot is off whether back in the guts or up in the bones. I respect how easily shots can be misplaced, whether operator error, environment, deer movement.

Use what works for you.





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