I’m not being negative. I’m being factual. Big difference. I agree with you on a great place with great info and good people. This forum is the reason I know what the F I’m doing. But when I was made aware of this legal action from the main focus of the community it upset me. I’m more of may the best design win. This leads to innovation. Tethrd makes a saddle. Latitude makes a better one. Cruzr makes a better one than that then Aero makes a better one and the circle continues and we all benefit. But when you attempt to stop all progress from other companies than you limit the capacity of the entire group (all saddle hunters).Man this whole saddlehunter forum has turned to a place I use to love to see what's going on and now I hate to even look at it because of the negativity.