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I Finally Saw a Deer

This was the same guy as before with his illegal salt blocks. I am planning to go there tomorrow but now I don't know if I should go in the woods if there are hunters there. I don't want to ruin anyone's hunt. I think the guy left quick after I told him I reported his salt blocks to the game commission. I guess I was inconsiderate.
If there are vultures circling, I don’t think it really even matters if you find the doe. If you’re doe hunting then maybe you should wait until after the rut. Does are still easy to find and kill in December, and maybe you won’t run into so many people.
 
If there are vultures circling, I don’t think it really even matters if you find the doe. If you’re doe hunting then maybe you should wait until after the rut. Does are still easy to find and kill in December, and maybe you won’t run into so many people.
Vultures at 7am for a dusk shot seem...unusual.
 
This was the same guy as before with his illegal salt blocks. I am planning to go there tomorrow but now I don't know if I should go in the woods if there are hunters there. I don't want to ruin anyone's hunt. I think the guy left quick after I told him I reported his salt blocks to the game commission. I guess I was inconsiderate.
Tomorrow is, dare I say it, an unethical delay (depending to some extent on weather). Disrespectful to leave it lie that long if you have the choice otherwise.

John's guidelines are great ones:

For almost all late-shot deer (if you can't recover same night) it's most appropriate to show up well after grey light (say a couple of hours after sunrise) when you have good lighting and less chance to interfere with someone else's most valued hunting time., and go by the least-intrusive path possible to where you lost the trail. Skipping today completely after an unpleasant encounter when going in (too) early feels like a passive-aggressive kinda pouty move that doesn't really respect the deer that you hopefully poked a lethal hole in and want to eat.

Too late to change that I guess, and I hope the weather favors you (or that you missed completely).
 
Tomorrow is, dare I say it, an unethical delay (depending to some extent on weather). Disrespectful to leave it lie that long if you have the choice otherwise.

John's guidelines are great ones:

For almost all late-shot deer (if you can't recover same night) it's most appropriate to show up well after grey light (say a couple of hours after sunrise) when you have good lighting and less chance to interfere with someone else's most valued hunting time., and go by the least-intrusive path possible to where you lost the trail. Skipping today completely after an unpleasant encounter when going in (too) early feels like a passive-aggressive kinda pouty move that doesn't really respect the deer that you hopefully poked a lethal hole in and want to eat.

Too late to change that I guess, and I hope the weather favors you (or that you missed completely).
Damned if I do, damned if I don't. I can't win.
 
Damned if I do, damned if I don't. I can't win.
No ones trying to make it difficult for you, they’re just saying why go all the way back home and come back the next day, leading to the deer being spoiled, when you could have waited till 9-10 AM when you wouldn’t be messing up other hunters
 
Are you interested in constructive criticism, and things to take away from this hunt? I'm not really sure what level of experience you have. But besides the obvious things, I see a few more things that could help you going forward.
 
No ones trying to make it difficult for you, they’re just saying why go all the way back home and come back the next day, leading to the deer being spoiled, when you could have waited till 9-10 AM when you wouldn’t be messing up other hunters
I think bj139 has already had a confrontation with this douchebag if I am not mistaken. I think perhaps he made the right decision based on the other hunter’s reactions previously. I think sometimes it takes a bigger man to refrain from confrontation. As far as making a not so perfect shot on the doe, I have done it, I think most of us all have taken bad shots at one time or another, no sense in kicking a man while he is down. I hate that he may have lost his doe, but I bet it bothers him more. I cannot say what I would have done in the same situation, but giving or receiving a butt whooping over a deer really saps the enjoyment out of the whole experience. @bj139 I hope you find your deer brother good luck to you and keep your head up.
 
I think bj139 has already had a confrontation with this douchebag if I am not mistaken. I think perhaps he made the right decision based on the other hunter’s reactions previously. I think sometimes it takes a bigger man to refrain from confrontation. As far as making a not so perfect shot on the doe, I have done it, I think most of us all have taken bad shots at one time or another, no sense in kicking a man while he is down. I hate that he may have lost his doe, but I bet it bothers him more. I cannot say what I would have done in the same situation, but giving or receiving a butt whooping over a deer really saps the enjoyment out of the whole experience. @bj139 I hope you find your deer brother good luck to you and keep your head up.
Thanks. I am a little sick over losing the deer. I may not hunt for a while. I never hit one and didn't recover it before. I have never hunted in such a dense hunter area before and don't quite know what to do after all the suggestions. I delayed recovery because of other people reporting they bumped their deer and they should wait till the next day. Now I don't know. Maybe I should have tried to track in the dark shortly after I shot.
 
Are you interested in constructive criticism, and things to take away from this hunt? I'm not really sure what level of experience you have. But besides the obvious things, I see a few more things that could help you going forward.
That would be great. Thanks.
 
@bj139 Our weather here dictates that we look ASAP if we want to eat our meat. It was 83 here today and due to rain coming it will only get down to 73 tonight.
I see nothing wrong with you being at the parking area at daybreak. Once there and seeing other vehicles the polite thing to do would have been take a nap. I’m not saying you owed anyone the kind gesture but if you wanted to be polite waiting until mid morning was the way to go. Chalk that one up as lesson learned and go after another one. If the sign tells me I need to hunt in the same area as a vacant stand I’m hunting right where I want. If someone sets up on an access trail don’t feel bad about walking by them. I’m use to people walking in on me. Had a guy still hunting walk in behind me two weeks ago. He was like 45 yards before I heard him, gave him the whistle and wave. He politely waved and changed direction. He was patient also as 30 minutes later I could still see him. I walked in on someone else the day before. It’s just part of it.
 
Thanks. I am a little sick over losing the deer. I may not hunt for a while. I never hit one and didn't recover it before. I have never hunted in such a dense hunter area before and don't quite know what to do after all the suggestions. I delayed recovery because of other people reporting they bumped their deer and they should wait till the next day. Now I don't know. Maybe I should have tried to track in the dark shortly after I shot.
Bill, you did a LOT almost exactly correct, some things slightly wrong with bad luck, and a couple of things that were drilled into my head to NEVER do (but you gotta have someone doing that drilling)

You were say 2 or 3 hours off of the probable best plan in the morning, and absent significant weather op predator complications or high confidence in a down deer tracking after dark is a bad idea.

Just an extra couple of hours in consideration of others.

At the time of tbe shot...ALWAYS take a mental (and in this era a cell phone) picture of the shot direction and angle, and freeze in your brain where you tnink the shot went - both on the deer and in the forest. If light allows, give the deer pleny of time - at least a half hour, or more if yoususpect it's close, to vacate before getting down and checking out the shot location. You want to, if at all possible, identify the impact location, recover your arrow (to check for evidence of where you hit the deer), and pick up the sign of the track (and mark) before leaving. The next day everything tends to magically look different...don't push the deer at night, but do orient yourself. Then pick up the trail when the light is good midmorning.
 
FIND A NEW SPOT. Who cares if he’s in the wrong or not, why would you want to fool with all that bs. If it were me I’d be headed somewhere else. I find it a win if I see no other humans while hunting but to each their own.
 
This is my first archery season. The first thing I did was outfitted every arrow with a lighted nock and bought a tactacam solo. That way I know exactly where every one of my shots went.
 
When you first see a deer, you tend to get tunnel vision and go into autopilot. This can be good and bad. If you've practiced with your gear, techniques, positioning, are a good shot, etc, instinct kicking in is great. The problem is that adrenaline has a way of warping your perception of a moment. The one advantage we have over most critters, is that there's "something it's like to be you." You're aware of this issue and can address.

When you get in position to make a shot, do your best to make a snap assessment of where the deer is standing. Next, focus on where you intend to aim and take your shot. Follow through after the shot - this is really hard with a scoped crossbow. It's almost impossible not to blink at the shot, and an arrow doesn't travel as fast as a bullet. By the time your eye opens, and refocuses, it's too late to see impact. I'll be writing a post about this topic later... But do your best to hold on target through the shot. If you can keep your eye on the deer as it runs off without moving from the position you shot the deer, do that. I'll tell you why shortly.

Now watch the deer's reaction to the shot - try to remember if it ducked, stood still, if you heard a hit, didn't hear a hit, did it jump up and mule kick, did stumble before taking off. Then DO NOT take your eyes off the deer until you physically can't see it anymore. Make a positive landmark in your head of the last spot you saw the deer - use a tree bush log whatever - something that the deer ran/walked within 5 yards of on it's way out of sight. Say it out loud if you need to - point at it with your finger if you need to - grab your compass or phone and get a compass bearing if you need to. Remember this - it will look completely different at ground level than it did from 20' in a tree. Your ears are designed to hear best in the same direction you are looking. Listen intently for crashing, walking, wheezing, gurgling, any noise that could give indication that the deer is alive and moving or dead and dying. Give that at least 30 seconds to a minute. Hopefully you haven't moved from shot position.

Turn your head back to address the spot the deer was standing when you shot. Recreate the shot with your bow. Find the EXACT spot you remember the deer was standing when you shot. It is extremely helpful to be in the exact position you were when you shot. Say it out loud if you need to. Point to the spot the deer was standing. Find a landmark - this one should be easy since it's so close. But remember, it will look different than ground level - this is why you MUST have a landmark. It can be a leaf or stick or bush or anything. If you have a rangefinder, range the exact distance to this spot.

For shots that you have no idea where you hit, and didn't see or hear the deer crash - And don't worry, shoot enough deer, this will happen, no matter how calm and collected you are.

Assuming there is no time pressure due to incoming rain, etc, If you can get out of your tree without making ANY noise, go ahead and get down. Remember, fatally wounded deer do not like to keep moving. There's a good chance the deer has bedded in eye/earshot of you. Get down quietly, pack/organize your gear for walk out/tracking. If you are concerned you might not remember the tree you shot the deer out of the next day - mark it somehow. Trail marker, toilet paper, something. If it is really crunchy or really still, I highly recommend sitting at the base of your tree for at least an hour. If it's wet, or you have wind cover, or you've waited an hour or so, walk in the most direct line you can to your shot location. If you ranged it, or have a best guess, go very carefully the last 4-5 yards. I prefer to step to the opposite direction the deer was facing a couple yards, and then advance, looking in the line of my shot. This is so I don't step on their tracks, cut hair, blood, arrow, etc.

Impact site can tell you a lot. Hopefully you find a bloodsoaked arrow. If not, but you hit the deer, you're almost always going to have cut hair at the shot site. I recommend the next deer you or a friend kills, you cut hair from various parts of it to inspect very closely. Take pictures even. You want to be able to identify what part of the body the cut hair came from. Look for the deer's prints where it ran from the shot site. Many times you can see where the dug in when they duck/run. I like to stick toilet paper or twigs standing up if the leaves are thick, in the prints. Now I can see where the cut hair is in relation to the prints. I can also look back at my stand tree to see the exact angle the deer was at. Write down, memorize, take pictures, whatever, but make note of all of this information.

If you don't find your arrow, and you don't know where you hit, and you don't have weather forcing you to speed up your search, LEAVE. Put a piece of toilet paper, an arrow, a glove, something at the shot site. You've already marked your stand tree. Now mark your trail out for ease of access coming back to the site. If the deer ran in the direction you have to leave, attempt to take a wide berth around where you think it went. A few hundred yards will suffice. Otherwise, take the fastest direct route to get out to access.

There's dozens of articles, and even good books on what to do with certain hits. I'll leave that to what's already written. Flat out - if you don't know where you hit the deer, it's cool enough it won't spoil, you have no rain coming in, coyotes aren't a problem (this is usually not a problem. You'll know if it is. Don't let the myth of the coyote scare you - you will know if your locale is one to be concerned about, trust me.) - LEAVE THE DEER OVERNIGHT. As has been said before, don't go try to find your deer at graylight. Wait until you have good light to search by.

One area I will push back though, is accessing the spot. If you know you won't disrupt someone else's hunt, I like to slip in at graylight to my shot site, and sit there and wait for better light to track. First - less chance of deer spotting me. Second, better chance of having dew/humidity making leaves slightly less crunchy.

It should go without saying at this point - but if you have access to a TRAINED blood dog, and experienced tracker, call them. This should not be a point of pride. And watching a dog find your deer can add immense satisfaction to the results of a hunt. Trust me - it's almost as fun watching a good dog work, as it is killing deer. I'm not the only one who thinks this - there's thousands of trackers who do it for gas money or free - instead of hunting.

If you don't, get to tracking. Again, lots of writeups on how to track, I can't tell you any better. Do your best to find blood or tracks on the course you think the deer took towards the spot you last saw the deer (you remember this spot right?). Slowly make your way, marking any blood or tracks along the way. If you haven't found the trail by the time you arrive at the spot you last saw the deer, this is your last real chance to pick up the trail easily. You KNOW the deer was within five yards of this tree, vine, log, stump, bush, etc. Hands and knees until you find blood.


At this point - you have endless resources on how long to give deer if they're shot a certain way. Plenty of resources on how to track deer. I can't help anymore than that.


But the above things are crucial information in determining where you hit the deer, and what to do.

Highlights:

- Follow through on your shot.
- Remember exactly where the deer was standing when you shoot.
- Try to stay in shot position to confirm this.
- Watch the deer the whole time until it crashes or goes out of sight.
- Listen intently without moving for at least a minute after losing sight.
- Mark a landmark at the very last spot you saw it.
- Recreate the shot to mark the exact spot the deer was standing when you shot.
- Wait an hour to leave the shot sight if you can't leave without being heard.
- If the deer ran in the direction of access, try to give it a wide berth.
- Mark your stand tree.
- Mark your shot site.

If you want help from experienced hunters on internet, or mentors, or friends, or trackers, have the following information. I find it best to write it down if you're new.

- How high you were in tree.
- Distance of the shot.
- Angle of the deer.
- Where you think you hit the deer.
- How the deer reacted at the shot.
- Sound of impact (heard one, didn't hear one, what it sounded like if you did).
- How far it ran/walked to where you last saw it.
- If you heard it running or walking beyond where you lost sight.
- Tail up or tail down.
- Pictures of arrow if you recovered it.
- Pictures of hair at shot site if you recovered it.



This is a ton of information to try and take in. But your body and brain is amazing and will capture it if you've prepared yourself prior. And all of it will help you be more successful in recovery efforts.

Sorry for the long read, I hope you gathered something useful. And I have no doubt this will have been a useful learning experience for you. Keep your head up. These types of things happen to every hunter.
 
When you first see a deer, you tend to get tunnel vision and go into autopilot. This can be good and bad. If you've practiced with your gear, techniques, positioning, are a good shot, etc, instinct kicking in is great. The problem is that adrenaline has a way of warping your perception of a moment. The one advantage we have over most critters, is that there's "something it's like to be you." You're aware of this issue and can address.

When you get in position to make a shot, do your best to make a snap assessment of where the deer is standing. Next, focus on where you intend to aim and take your shot. Follow through after the shot - this is really hard with a scoped crossbow. It's almost impossible not to blink at the shot, and an arrow doesn't travel as fast as a bullet. By the time your eye opens, and refocuses, it's too late to see impact. I'll be writing a post about this topic later... But do your best to hold on target through the shot. If you can keep your eye on the deer as it runs off without moving from the position you shot the deer, do that. I'll tell you why shortly.

Now watch the deer's reaction to the shot - try to remember if it ducked, stood still, if you heard a hit, didn't hear a hit, did it jump up and mule kick, did stumble before taking off. Then DO NOT take your eyes off the deer until you physically can't see it anymore. Make a positive landmark in your head of the last spot you saw the deer - use a tree bush log whatever - something that the deer ran/walked within 5 yards of on it's way out of sight. Say it out loud if you need to - point at it with your finger if you need to - grab your compass or phone and get a compass bearing if you need to. Remember this - it will look completely different at ground level than it did from 20' in a tree. Your ears are designed to hear best in the same direction you are looking. Listen intently for crashing, walking, wheezing, gurgling, any noise that could give indication that the deer is alive and moving or dead and dying. Give that at least 30 seconds to a minute. Hopefully you haven't moved from shot position.

Turn your head back to address the spot the deer was standing when you shot. Recreate the shot with your bow. Find the EXACT spot you remember the deer was standing when you shot. It is extremely helpful to be in the exact position you were when you shot. Say it out loud if you need to. Point to the spot the deer was standing. Find a landmark - this one should be easy since it's so close. But remember, it will look different than ground level - this is why you MUST have a landmark. It can be a leaf or stick or bush or anything. If you have a rangefinder, range the exact distance to this spot.

For shots that you have no idea where you hit, and didn't see or hear the deer crash - And don't worry, shoot enough deer, this will happen, no matter how calm and collected you are.

Assuming there is no time pressure due to incoming rain, etc, If you can get out of your tree without making ANY noise, go ahead and get down. Remember, fatally wounded deer do not like to keep moving. There's a good chance the deer has bedded in eye/earshot of you. Get down quietly, pack/organize your gear for walk out/tracking. If you are concerned you might not remember the tree you shot the deer out of the next day - mark it somehow. Trail marker, toilet paper, something. If it is really crunchy or really still, I highly recommend sitting at the base of your tree for at least an hour. If it's wet, or you have wind cover, or you've waited an hour or so, walk in the most direct line you can to your shot location. If you ranged it, or have a best guess, go very carefully the last 4-5 yards. I prefer to step to the opposite direction the deer was facing a couple yards, and then advance, looking in the line of my shot. This is so I don't step on their tracks, cut hair, blood, arrow, etc.

Impact site can tell you a lot. Hopefully you find a bloodsoaked arrow. If not, but you hit the deer, you're almost always going to have cut hair at the shot site. I recommend the next deer you or a friend kills, you cut hair from various parts of it to inspect very closely. Take pictures even. You want to be able to identify what part of the body the cut hair came from. Look for the deer's prints where it ran from the shot site. Many times you can see where the dug in when they duck/run. I like to stick toilet paper or twigs standing up if the leaves are thick, in the prints. Now I can see where the cut hair is in relation to the prints. I can also look back at my stand tree to see the exact angle the deer was at. Write down, memorize, take pictures, whatever, but make note of all of this information.

If you don't find your arrow, and you don't know where you hit, and you don't have weather forcing you to speed up your search, LEAVE. Put a piece of toilet paper, an arrow, a glove, something at the shot site. You've already marked your stand tree. Now mark your trail out for ease of access coming back to the site. If the deer ran in the direction you have to leave, attempt to take a wide berth around where you think it went. A few hundred yards will suffice. Otherwise, take the fastest direct route to get out to access.

There's dozens of articles, and even good books on what to do with certain hits. I'll leave that to what's already written. Flat out - if you don't know where you hit the deer, it's cool enough it won't spoil, you have no rain coming in, coyotes aren't a problem (this is usually not a problem. You'll know if it is. Don't let the myth of the coyote scare you - you will know if your locale is one to be concerned about, trust me.) - LEAVE THE DEER OVERNIGHT. As has been said before, don't go try to find your deer at graylight. Wait until you have good light to search by.

One area I will push back though, is accessing the spot. If you know you won't disrupt someone else's hunt, I like to slip in at graylight to my shot site, and sit there and wait for better light to track. First - less chance of deer spotting me. Second, better chance of having dew/humidity making leaves slightly less crunchy.

It should go without saying at this point - but if you have access to a TRAINED blood dog, and experienced tracker, call them. This should not be a point of pride. And watching a dog find your deer can add immense satisfaction to the results of a hunt. Trust me - it's almost as fun watching a good dog work, as it is killing deer. I'm not the only one who thinks this - there's thousands of trackers who do it for gas money or free - instead of hunting.

If you don't, get to tracking. Again, lots of writeups on how to track, I can't tell you any better. Do your best to find blood or tracks on the course you think the deer took towards the spot you last saw the deer (you remember this spot right?). Slowly make your way, marking any blood or tracks along the way. If you haven't found the trail by the time you arrive at the spot you last saw the deer, this is your last real chance to pick up the trail easily. You KNOW the deer was within five yards of this tree, vine, log, stump, bush, etc. Hands and knees until you find blood.


At this point - you have endless resources on how long to give deer if they're shot a certain way. Plenty of resources on how to track deer. I can't help anymore than that.


But the above things are crucial information in determining where you hit the deer, and what to do.

Highlights:

- Follow through on your shot.
- Remember exactly where the deer was standing when you shoot.
- Try to stay in shot position to confirm this.
- Watch the deer the whole time until it crashes or goes out of sight.
- Listen intently without moving for at least a minute after losing sight.
- Mark a landmark at the very last spot you saw it.
- Recreate the shot to mark the exact spot the deer was standing when you shot.
- Wait an hour to leave the shot sight if you can't leave without being heard.
- If the deer ran in the direction of access, try to give it a wide berth.
- Mark your stand tree.
- Mark your shot site.

If you want help from experienced hunters on internet, or mentors, or friends, or trackers, have the following information. I find it best to write it down if you're new.

- How high you were in tree.
- Distance of the shot.
- Angle of the deer.
- Where you think you hit the deer.
- How the deer reacted at the shot.
- Sound of impact (heard one, didn't hear one, what it sounded like if you did).
- How far it ran/walked to where you last saw it.
- If you heard it running or walking beyond where you lost sight.
- Tail up or tail down.
- Pictures of arrow if you recovered it.
- Pictures of hair at shot site if you recovered it.



This is a ton of information to try and take in. But your body and brain is amazing and will capture it if you've prepared yourself prior. And all of it will help you be more successful in recovery efforts.

Sorry for the long read, I hope you gathered something useful. And I have no doubt this will have been a useful learning experience for you. Keep your head up. These types of things happen to every hunter.
Why don't you just write a friggin book? Just kidding :grinning: A lot of great info and I hope it can help out some other newbies on here too.
 
There was heavy rain forecasted yesterday afternoon so I wanted to get started early. If it was not veteran's day I would have been alone. I am planning to go up today and do a proper search this time, if I am not going to ruin anyone's hunt. If I do find the doe, I will try to quarter and pack it out. I have 3 doe licenses so I could waste one here if there is a lot of meat loss. My Hickory Creek mini has never failed to hit the spot where the crosshairs were sighted out to 30 yards. I could say I missed but I would bet I did not. Lighted nocks would have been a great idea.
 
One area I will push back though, is accessing the spot. If you know you won't disrupt someone else's hunt, I like to slip in at graylight to my shot site, and sit there and wait for better light to track. First - less chance of deer spotting me. Second, better chance of having dew/humidity making leaves slightly less crunchy
Fantastic advice, I'd add one regional/weather pushback on the pushback. if there's frost or snow involved, the crunch situation MAY flip (certainly for frost, snow depends on the texture.) And in drier climates dew may or may not matter. But consider your best ability to slip in quietly for sure, and don't tromp up the track until visibility is good.
 
Kyler has a ton of good info. Some items I'll add esp as a xbow only guy.....using technology to help out and make things easier. Note: probably 80% of my recovery is after dark as do most hunts in the afternoon and I'm the king of blowing out deer on my way in for the morning hunts I do.

It is very hard for me and my 50 year old eyes to say conclusively where I hit, even with lighted nocks and how the deer reacted. My xbow shoots 400 FPS and there is so much going on in my mind, I just rarely have a confident answer. I have been absolutely sure I totally missed and found out I made a perfect shot.

I purchased a tactacam solo and have an SD card reader on my phone. This purchase has helped me enormously with game recovery. I know you shoot the mini...not sure if you can mount a tactacam on it. But, if you can, get one. Its easy to turn on pre-shot.

1. After the shot I really focus on where the deer went and really strain to find a landmark on my last sight of it. 100% of my attention goes to this immediately after the shot.
2. Take some cell pics or a compass bearing and get a range of the last place I saw it.
3. Then, I take the clock app on my phone and put a 60 minute timer and click start. This forces me to stay put for an hour (unless I actually witness it fall or know for sure I heard it crash). It's hard to stay put for an hour when you think you've made a good shot and your losing light.
4. Then, I play back my video on my phone in slo mo. This tells me an enormous amount and I find, gives me more info than arrow inspection. I can tell where I hit (assuming you have lighted nocks) and deer reaction. This drives my next steps.

If I think I got heart or both lungs, I'll still wait the 60 minutes, climb down and arrange my gear at the base of the tree. I'll find my arrow and pick up the track using blood and the last place I saw it. The arrow can tell alot. But, it also lies sometimes. I rely mainly on the video replay. If I'm right, no problem finding the deer even in the pitch black (note: I bring a 1,000 lumen flashlight in my bag esp for this purpose). I use those glow in the dark clip on markers to help me trail. Its amazing sometimes if you're a little high, you can still get both lungs but blood trail can be very sparse for a while....that's why the last sighting info is so important.

If I know it's a bad hit, liver / guts, etc. I'll get down after the 60 minutes an back out and come back the next day (assuming an evening hunt).
 
If I know it's a bad hit, liver / guts, etc. I'll get down after the 60 minutes an back out and come back the next day (assuming an evening hunt).
That's what I was doing based on other people bumping their deer when following too quick. The next day it turned into a minor SNAFU. Going back today. It's been raining here for 24 hours. I'll have to follow the vultures. BTW, I had no weapon on my recovery hike yesterday.
 
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