I agree. Things are easy on a straight tree in good weather. It’s hard to know what you don’t know so you push the edges. First time I had a stick kick out on a leaning tree I was very surprised. Now I can anticipate it and work around the possibility. It’s the next thing I don’t know that could cause a tumble for me. Be safe, stay tied in, then you can’t fall far.
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I"ve read a lot about kickouts, gaff outs, "Partial Falls" and potential accidents lately....
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Vtbow
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Yes, a classic prussic is not releasable under load. It is also easy to add more "grip" to any of these by adding more wraps. Find a happy medium that woks for you as far as friction:ease of release.
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When you one stick and pull yourself up by the tether it is no longer under load. Just to clarify
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Being a noob I think I have tried just about all of the methods mentioned. Why? Because I am a noob and that’s what noobs do. Got to the point I had so many variations of climbing gear: steps, aider, 5 steps, knaider/swaider, LWHC seat, sticks, cut down sticks with aider....oh forgot the SRT setup that hasn’t seen a tree. Finally reached a point where I had to stop the madness. Not that there is anything wrong with any of these systems, well practiced and in acceptable conditions, but I figured I was spending a lot of time and money to get up a tree. I spent last season mainly trying to get set up instead of hunting since I jumped in late. A little practice and hit the field....bad idea. Along the way I did learn some things, a step WILL slip (not the end of the world), aiders kickout, any carabiner that isn’t self locking won’t. Lucky these lessons didn’t come at a cost.
This year I have no excuse and am investing the time in a system that I feel comfortable with a focus on hunting. For me, that is Cranford rope steps, thanks @Nutterbuster. Most of the rest may be coming to a classifieds near you.
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This year I have no excuse and am investing the time in a system that I feel comfortable with a focus on hunting. For me, that is Cranford rope steps, thanks @Nutterbuster. Most of the rest may be coming to a classifieds near you.
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patriotoutlaw
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I'm pretty sure my old Buckinghams caused my fingernails to grow longer.
dlist777
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Maybe its because of the crazy sh&t you all do to climb trees!
I have a spot where pre set steps keep getting stolen. I think I'm going to pre-set a trampoline in the woods and then have some wildedge steps set starting at about 12 feet up (you know, so no one can steal the bottom ones). Then, I'm going to hook up a knaider / swaider. I'll take a running jump onto the trampoline and (while in the air) I'll lift my right leg a bit so the knaider and swaider land just right on the first wild edge step.
It'll be hard in the dark, but I think I can do it. And, I'll wear a lineman's belt as a back up.
Or maybe use the trampoline and one stick and just bear hug the tree and start one sticking when I hit it....
I have a spot where pre set steps keep getting stolen. I think I'm going to pre-set a trampoline in the woods and then have some wildedge steps set starting at about 12 feet up (you know, so no one can steal the bottom ones). Then, I'm going to hook up a knaider / swaider. I'll take a running jump onto the trampoline and (while in the air) I'll lift my right leg a bit so the knaider and swaider land just right on the first wild edge step.
It'll be hard in the dark, but I think I can do it. And, I'll wear a lineman's belt as a back up.
Or maybe use the trampoline and one stick and just bear hug the tree and start one sticking when I hit it....
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Maybe its because of the crazy sh&t you all do to climb trees!
I have a spot where pre set steps keep getting stolen. I think I'm going to pre-set a trampoline in the woods and then have some wildedge steps set starting at about 12 feet up (you know, so no one can steal the bottom ones). Then, I'm going to hook up a knaider / swaider. I'll take a running jump onto the trampoline and (while in the air) I'll lift my right leg a bit so the knaider and swaider land just right on the first wild edge step.
It'll be hard in the dark, but I think I can do it. And, I'll wear a lineman's belt as a back up.
Or maybe use the trampoline and one stick and just bear hug the tree and start one sticking when I hit it....
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Maybe its because of the crazy sh&t you all do to climb trees!
I have a spot where pre set steps keep getting stolen. I think I'm going to pre-set a trampoline in the woods and then have some wildedge steps set starting at about 12 feet up (you know, so no one can steal the bottom ones). Then, I'm going to hook up a knaider / swaider. I'll take a running jump onto the trampoline and (while in the air) I'll lift my right leg a bit so the knaider and swaider land just right on the first wild edge step.
It'll be hard in the dark, but I think I can do it. And, I'll wear a lineman's belt as a back up.
Or maybe use the trampoline and one stick and just bear hug the tree and start one sticking when I hit it....
A pogo stick will take up a lot less space and will eliminate the need for the lower steps.
Another plus to this, no scent trail walking in . . . at least not from your boots
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I'm thinking if I took that ride I'm gonna need some EXCEPTIONAL natural scent cover. The short story "Everybody Poops" comes to mind . . . "What is that smell?"
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I think one of the biggest problems people face is a lack of self awareness and self evaluation. We don't like to honestly evaluate ourselves or think that we aren't good enough at something but the truth is that sometimes people are better at things than other people. And that's ok, you just have to know your own personal limitations. Some guys are really good at SRT or K/S with the stepps. Others are ninjas with 1 stick. Find what works best for you and become as proficient as you can with that system. Keep a set of sticks as a backup option. I remember climbing trees with screw in steps and hang on stands for years and never using any type of safety harness, linemans belt, or any other type of safety equipment. I feel like that was way more dangerous than any climbing system I currently use. If I have a slip or a kick out I have my saddle and linemans belt to catch me. That's what they are for.
I'm firmly of the belief that a linemans will not stop a fall.
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it will and its going to hurt, your linesman is going to catch on the stick below you and slam you face in to it and the tree, hopefully your steps don't gash you too bad. When you fall you have to lean back in to the linesman and let you body take a beating hopefully you slow down before impact with the earth, good times
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Harder to operate 1 handed. I use auto locking for tether but traditional for linemans belt since I need to hook and unhook 1 handed to go around limbs.
I bought a pack of 6 auto lockers when I first started buying climbing equipment. I think I would do it again. They are not as quick to get open but when they are closed I can forget about them. One handed is easy once you get the method down.
Kurt
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Williams spinball is a good auto locking biner from Petzl. I use them on my tree climbing gear and on my linesman belt for hunting.