Its all in the hips

[redsquirrel]

Round 1- Boswell

Troublemaker.

 

[noxninja]

I went eye level standing up and it seemed to relieve some. Gonna keep playing with it


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[redsquirrel]

I went eye level standing up and it seemed to relieve some. Gonna keep playing with it


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Are you more of a sitter or a leaner? I've venture to guess a sitter since you started with a web.

 

[kenn1320]

When I sit, I move my saddle more towards my thighs. This is whats so cool about the minimalist saddles, they aren't fixed in one position on you. I move mine a lot and you would be surprised how moving it 1" changes everything.

 

[Boudreaux]

All I will say is that the angle your tether comes off the tree has biggest impact on where gravity will place pressure. The greater the angle the more placed on your feet. If someone stands on a playform or steps right next to tree... then keep moving further from tree making no other adjustments..... the more you move from tree the more you will feel in legs.... the closer the more you will feel in your butt/hips... simple principles of physical science.

This is true, if your standing up on your feet there is no pressure on your hips. But the question was about bridge length ONLY thus why my answer was in SHORT yes.

There is a limit to how much lengthening a bridge will reduce because it is not a hard angle due to the nature of the material.... it will always cause compression. There is not a lot of difference between 24-48 inch bridges unless you have a really wide hip. So while you may reduce it somewhat with bridge length, a far more productive means is to increase the angle your tether comes off tree which will move the total pressure more and more to your legs.

Your right again to a degree. There will not be much of a difference in the longer bridge lengths, but even your 6th grade since that you say your so good at says the shorter the bridge the more hip pinch you will get, with the same tree strap height. This was why I tried to use a 6th grade swing to help you understand that.

When hanging straight down there is NO energy directed against gravity.

What about your weight? When hanging strait down in a saddle your weight is potential energy, hints the reason you would fall of the swing broke. So yes there is.

The more your legs are put in place the more energy is taken off ass/hips and transfer to legs. There's a happy medium of course and each person will develop that the more they play with it. 20+ years of history shows the reason most gave up saddle hunting and that was due to discomfort.

Your right again, this is why we developed fully adjustable saddles, from tree straps, bridge, to the saddle itself.

But I did pay attention in 6th grade Physical Science class.

Not enough,

The question was simply about bridge. How hard is that to understand?? He wasn't talking about tree strap height and bridge. So I SIMPLY answered his question.

Dave,
I dunno what your deal with me is, but get over it. I am not the only person here that knows about saddle and neither are you. Every time I post I know your going to have smart ass remark like

So just how many "angles" are there in a saddle set up?

Yea ok ..........

So I have just quit posting because I don't want to have to justify or explain everything I post to you. WTH happened to you anyways? I still have the emails where we talked about saddles and issues you were having from less than two years ago, and you weren't like this. Just do me and the rest of saddlehunter a favor and find and remove the burr that's in your saddle with me.

Thanks,
Boswell

 

[MCDM]

Guys remember why we are all on this site. It is to all grow and propel this form of hunting. There are many ways to skin a cat and there are many ways to adjust a saddle to a user's specs, comfort, etc. Written words can always come off differently than when spoken try to keep these things in mind. No ones the all knowing when it comes to saddle hunting but each one of us can add what has worked for them and maybe it will work for someone else as well. This is simply due to the vast adjustability with this style. If it was a standard treestand I would say your locked into one way to hang a stand. I would hate to see this site go down like so many sites in where people bicker over nothing, let egos if its that go by the wayside. Let by gones be that gone. Both of you have help to lead saddle hunting to where its is today. Boswell with his work with Newtribe and Dave with his minimalist set ups and diy mods. Everyone has a say on here which is why it is the best or one of the best sites out there. Less time bickering leads to more swinging.

 

[DaveT1963]

Burr removed - now can I go back to working on my shooting form - perhaps I can get it right for you in my next video.

 

[DaveT1963]

And I apologize to the OP if you were looking for only abridge answer. I thought you might be interested in another approach that for me personally really helped reduce hip pressure/fatigue - I was passing along what John E. told me that was a game changer for me in comfort.

 

[d_rek]

Gents,

I think an "experiment with it a little bit" would have sufficed.

 

[drew13]

Guys remember why we are all on this site. It is to all grow and propel this form of hunting. There are many ways to skin a cat and there are many ways to adjust a saddle to a user's specs, comfort, etc. Written words can always come off differently than when spoken try to keep these things in mind. No ones the all knowing when it comes to saddle hunting but each one of us can add what has worked for them and maybe it will work for someone else as well. This is simply due to the vast adjustability with this style. If it was a standard treestand I would say your locked into one way to hang a stand. I would hate to see this site go down like so many sites in where people bicker over nothing, let egos if its that go by the wayside. Let by gones be that gone. Both of you have help to lead saddle hunting to where its is today. Boswell with his work with Newtribe and Dave with his minimalist set ups and diy mods. Everyone has a say on here which is why it is the best or one of the best sites out there. Less time bickering leads to more swinging.

I agree with MCDM here. I really like the info and experience that both Boswell and DaveT bring to this site. Shame to see it turn into a pissing match instead of a civil discourse. It's ok to have different opinions, just be civil about it. Hope to see more ideas and opinions from both of you in the future.

 

[essdub]

I agree. And I'm glad I'm not the one getting involved in heated debate. .. for once.
Just ignore your mom's advice from when you were a kid and play with it as much as you can. You'll eventually figure out which combos work for you. I use a short bridge for some things and an extremely long bridge with other setups

 

[kenn1320]

Id like to see a video of Bos trying a short tether hook up and Dave wearing crocks.

 

[DaveT1963]

Id like to see a video of Bos trying a short tether hook up and Dave wearing crocks.

Ha ha Ken - that ain't going to happen.

I think Boswell and I rub each other wrong - and that's OK we aren't married. I will never hunt the way he does and I doubt he would hunt the way i do - that's what's great about hunting we can all do our own thing.

This particular thread is in my court so I assume responsibility for taking it off rail and offer my apology to the OP and the rest of Saddle hunters. I also offer Boswell my apology for this thread because yes I did provoke him this time. I will not comment on his approach or thoughts anymore.

I am going to take a break and go sit in a tree (yes with a platform and short tether but no crocs) for while as deer hunting is far more enjoyable to me. I know what works for me TODAY - but that could change tomorrow. I keep tinkering and experimenting and I hope I am never so locked in my ways that I don't appreciate what others put forward. There has been some great collaboration on this site and I think it has resulted in some great advancements in saddle hunting. Hopefully someone will pay attention to what some of you are doing with the sit drag and come out with the perfect minimalist saddle - if so it will because of the collaborative efforts of those on this site. I personally would never go back to the systems of even five years ago compared what we have today. Saddle hunting has been around for a long, long time - but it has really evolved within the last three years because of this site.

PS 360 Platform shooting still rocks best

 

[huck72412]

Id like to see a video of Bos trying a short tether hook up and Dave wearing crocks.

Lol

 

[huck72412]

Well said Dave, looks like this one ended in a draw. Apologies are more affective than any hook up. High or Low!

 

[essdub]

Absolutely Dave. Kudos for bEing straight up guy.
We all rub each other wrong sometimes. And I've yet to read a post here in which someone described a method that would work on my property. And few people would like my method of climbing/style of sling or saddle, or my way of hunTing. We all have to just figure out what works at the time and place we are hunTing.
Deer here are VERY skittish. But they're curious too because I (along with every kid and half the men who live along this swamp/hardwood area) are in the woods all year long doing something between playing, fishing,overnight "camping", chopping trees, exploring, hunTing small game/birds/coons/squirrels/rabbits/foxes/coyote/Turkey/etc. So I have a mixed reaction when I read about deer behavior from anYone else. A buck busted me breathing (he saw my moving chest)and I assume that little motion drew attention to my form 28' in a tree with lots of foliage for cover from 45 yards a couple days ago and he was gone. But a few miles from here, I walked through my friend's hunTing property talking at normal volume with him, kicKing Rocks, laughing and within a few minutes we had walked within twenty or thirty yards of two respectable bucks and several does. None of them ran off.
The point is that there are some things deer/people/trees/etc do everywhere and lots of things which are tone/time/mood/day/week/month/moment specific.
I just try to have fun and usually end up with some meat in the process

 

[noxninja]

Are you more of a sitter or a leaner? I've venture to guess a sitter since you started with a web.

No apologizes needed for me guys I am willing to try anything that's what I love about this saddle style hunting. Tinkering is what I really enjoy and saddle hunting has made such a change in how I approach things. I value all opinions on here as a newbie to the sport. You are correct I am a sitter so I am going to try the thigh approach and see how that works. I have realized how much more movement I make when in the sit drag as allowed to the guido so I am going to keep experimenting until I find what works. I wish y'all could have heard me talking to myself while I walked out of the woods debating weight, setup, advantages etc. so cool we have this site it's so different and a much needed breath of fresh air for me! Thanks so much for admins and all the work you do to keep this site top notch! To all my saddle brothers/sisters be safe and keep swinging!


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[Boudreaux]

Ha ha Ken - that ain't going to happen.

Come on Dave, I think I have an extra pair laying around I could send you! ha ha

I also offer Boswell my apology for this thread because yes I did provoke him this time. I will not comment on his approach or thoughts anymore.

Thanks, Dave Stand up move. I'll try not to bust your ball on shooting form

There has been some great collaboration on this site and I think it has resulted in some great advancements in saddle hunting. Hopefully someone will pay attention to what some of you are doing with the sit drag and come out with the perfect minimalist saddle - if so it will because of the collaborative efforts of those on this site.

This is no doubt, Hopefully the last 3 years of testing prototypes and listening to whats been said on here will yield what people have been looking for in a production model saddle, even designed for a short bridge. hint hint

PS 360 Platform shooting still rocks best

I got a kick out of this.

To ALL here, what I would like to see. Dave I don't know where your from but I think everyone here would agree, It would be AWESOME to sit down with you and make a few saddle hunting tip tricks and techniques video together. To show our different techniques and talk about them together. I think that would be awesome for the saddle world. Just a thought,

Thanks,
Boswell

 

[noxninja]

Come on Dave, I think I have an extra pair laying around I could send you! ha ha



Thanks, Dave Stand up move. I'll try not to bust your ball on shooting form


This is no doubt, Hopefully the last 3 years of testing prototypes and listening to whats been said on here will yield what people have been looking for in a production model saddle, even designed for a short bridge. hint hint


I got a kick out of this.

To ALL here, what I would like to see. Dave I don't know where your from but I think everyone here would agree, It would be AWESOME to sit down with you and make a few saddle hunting tip tricks and techniques video together. To show our different techniques and talk about them together. I think that would be awesome for the saddle world. Just a thought,

Thanks,
Boswell

"Join me and we could rule the galaxy!" Heck there are so many ideas on here we could start our on company and really make the ultimate saddle!


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[kenn1320]

I used nutz to the tree and toe to the tree. I managed to climb but wow whole different set of muscles it seems. Felt like the hardest climb ive ever done. Lol