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[Airy Mtn]

The prusik and the asymmetrical prusik or schwabisch are just so simple and effective is there any reason other than variety to use anything else?

 

[NMSbowhunter]

The only issue with a prussik is that they can get very tight once you load them and are more difficult to adjust when this happens. Other than that they are great. I like a Distel or a Swabish these days.

 

[Samcirrus]

Yes, you can't even use a tender with a prusik that has been weighted much less no tender one handed operation like a JRB ascender hitch in its multiple configurations.
I admit it takes time to practice and memorize a more complex hitch to tie but the payoff is a hitch that acts like a ropeman 1 without the metal clank and inherent danger of stripping your ropes sheath!

 

[Samcirrus]

But any of the other hitches, distel, Blake's, michoacan, etc... are superior to the prusik in all form and function! Embrace advancement!

 

[Airy Mtn]

Right, the schwabisch unloads from the bottom much more easily but is not unidirectional as far as I know. I'm new to this and while I enjoy gaining knowledge I also want to keep it simple. Really just want reasons or arguments why these two hitches are not enough for saddle hunting.

 

[Airy Mtn]

You got in above me while I was typing. I have learned numerous hitches but going back to KISS let me rephrase the question. Are two friction hitches enough to saddle hunt and if so what are they.

 

[Samcirrus]

I was you 4 years ago, never hunted in my life! I bought expensive RM1's and enjoyed them, but but I learned of the michoacan and then the JRB ascender hitch and that a 5 foot length of 6mm cord could do the same thing I spent several hours tying and relying, adjusting and testing it until it was second nature.
Same goes for the JRB hitch that is a remote release....once you know how to tie it, your rope will never get stuck in a tree again!

But now I embrace extreme simplicity combined with extreme effectiveness and have developed a few of my own modifications that make girth hitching a tether metal free and easily releasable!

 

[iamcorey]

The prusik and the asymmetrical prusik or schwabisch are just so simple and effective is there any reason other than variety to use anything else?

Saddle selfies and trolling prusik users to tell them there is a better more complicated knot they could be tying.

Fore real though. Some ropes play better with others when it comes to friction knots. I know three. Prusik, autoblock and I still have to regency YouTube for the distel from time to time.


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[Samcirrus]

You got in above me while I was typing. I have learned numerous hitches but going back to KISS let me rephrase the question. Are two friction hitches enough to saddle hunt and if so what are they.

In list form what i use:
- My SNEAK girth hitch (around the tree part)for a climbing tether.
- The JRB remote releasable hitch (around the tree) at hunting height and for rappel.
-The JRB ascender hitch for my saddle bridge and footloop attachment.
- A michoacan for anything temporary or minor on my rope such as my second bridge attach point to my foot tether and my rappel safety catch.
Thats it!

 

[Samcirrus]

What i do is for my own benefit I am not trolling prusik users....there's just a better way and the only thing that stands in the way of that is a little dedicated time to learn and prove that there is indeed a superior hitch for two way adjustability purposes.
If anything I want to save people the frustration that comes from a binding prusik just as there's a way to overcome a binding JRB ascender hitch that was tied wrong or not set right.

 

[Weldabeast]

I never had any problems with regular prusik/tender except when the rope gets wet....u only really need 2 friction hitch to saddle hunt...1 for linesman and 2nd for tether. I carry 3 when I go hunt

 

[Airy Mtn]

Again, keeping this in track. I'm just talking about friction hitches not tree attachments.
So samcirrus for you the answer is yes? The jrb ascender and the mich?

 

[Samcirrus]

Again, keeping this in track. I'm just talking about friction hitches not tree attachments.
So for you the answer is yes? The jrb ascender and the mich?

Yep. So what i really mean is if you have some time.... try each one and all other friction hitches to really determine what works best for you! If prusik is what you choose AFTER trying new ones then more power to you! Happy climbing and hunting!

 

[Wirrex]

When I climbed with a double ended tether the prusick was the only hitch I knew to function both ways on the same rope. It is also the worse one to move after loading. Now that I don’t require a hitch to bind both ways, I use the mich.

 

[Airy Mtn]

Yep. So what i really mean is if you have some time.... try each one and all other friction hitches to really determine what works best for you! If prusik is what you choose AFTER trying new ones then more power to you! Happy climbing and hunting!

I have tried them and they all seem to do the same thing, provide friction. I've tried to see if one is more aggressive or one releases better but I keep getting back to prusik for bombproof lock with a loop and schwabisch for double ended.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

Yes, you can't even use a tender with a prusik that has been weighted much less no tender one handed operation like a JRB ascender hitch in its multiple configurations.
I admit it takes time to practice and memorize a more complex hitch to tie but the payoff is a hitch that acts like a ropeman 1 without the metal clank and inherent danger of stripping your ropes sheath!

But you can easily tend a distel or schwabisch

 

[tailgunner]

 

[tailgunner]

Yeah im trollin.

 

[gcr0003]

The prusik and the asymmetrical prusik or schwabisch are just so simple and effective is there any reason other than variety to use anything else?

No there is no reason to change from those two hitches.

If you rappel or 2TC where there are situations where you might want to release a hitch when under complete load of your body, say to load your rappel rope before detaching your main tether, it can be nice to have. That said ive never had a real problem with it since I typically have a platform, stick, or footloop to stand up on to un-weight the rope before continuing.

I used a prusik on my main tether because in its capacity I preferred the friction that it provided. When it locks down I know it’s not going anywhere, and it’s extremely easy to break (unweighted) and move. The Swabish is a nice compromise since it move just as easy broken, and a little easier under weigh. I wouldn’t rope climb with a prusik though. I leaned more toward the michocan but the function is similar to the swabish.

 

[gcr0003]

Whats stands out about the Knut from the Michoacan other than the way they are tied? Might give it a try since it’s so similar to the mich.