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New experimental attachment method.

Mock up of my new New plan. Pictured is accessory cord and amsteel but I will be using dynamic climbing rope and an aramid hollow braid hitch cord from Samson called ice tail when I am actually putting my life on the line.

Basically made an extra long soft shackle with an easy open loop and tied a Blake's hitch on the climbing line. Wouldn't trust this because it's not heat resistant but it's pretty easy to operate and has no metal.
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Surprised I haven't seen John RB comment here... he's got some videos with knots to do the same thing. I haven't used them so I won't comment further, but if you're looking for a metal-free option to tie your tether off while bypassing limbs, someone's already done that.
 
Looks similar to JRB cinch to me. Wrapping a little hockey tape on rappel ring and carabiner for JRB cinch makes it silent and it's easier to use so can't see advantage of this "new" system.
 
Praddle said:
Looks similar to JRB cinch to me. Wrapping a little hockey tape on rappel ring and carabiner for JRB cinch makes it silent and it's easier to use so can't see advantage of this "new" system.
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Shorter amount of rope would be about the only real significant difference in application that I see. Both great options.
 
Praddle said:
Looks similar to JRB cinch to me. Wrapping a little hockey tape on rappel ring and carabiner for JRB cinch makes it silent and it's easier to use so can't see advantage of this "new" system.
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I dunno I've never been able to consitently open and close carabiners without clicking happening from time to time. Lots of clicking in his videos for example.

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I use a wire carabiner since not really load bearing. Much easier to open/close and very quiet.
 
ThereWillBeSpuds said:
I dunno I've never been able to consitently open and close carabiners without clicking happening from time to time. Lots of clicking in his videos for example.

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it's just a deer....even a booner is just a deer
 
onestringer said:
I love this idea. OMG. Its so simple
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You may change your mind when you try it. Maybe not....
Its not self cinching! You have to release the prusik on the left (not always easy after load) then feed enough slack around the tree to loosen the girth hitch enough to fit the knot through which in itself can partially bind up depending on rope size and combination.
Time wise, you won't beat a quicklink or carabiner
Just offering you the voice of experience.
However, I believe it may be improved and you may be the one to do it, so All the best!
 
Samcirrus said:
You may change your mind when you try it. Maybe not....
Its not self cinching! You have to release the prusik on the left (not always easy after load) then feed enough slack around the tree to loosen the girth hitch enough to fit the knot through which in itself can partially bind up depending on rope size and combination.
Time wise, you won't beat a quicklink or carabiner
Just offering you the voice of experience.
However, I believe it may be improved and you may be the one to do it, so All the best!
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These are great afterthoughts to consider with any system @Samcirrus!! Things I have trouble doing just sitting here looking at internet posts. Until you're actually in the tree and using any system is the true test. I am interested in your sneak hitch I feel like I"ve missed a lot about this stuff. Do you have links or more information or is the video above you provided have the information needed to learn this? Thanks in advance!
 
I used this method a lot and find it much simpler than a quick link and quieter as well. If I use the Sampson predator with the Sterling 7mm cord it works really smooth even after being loaded heavy. Not saying that it doesn’t take a little effort but it doesn’t seem hard to me. I think the biggest thing is tying with the right length of hitch cord so it gives you the right amount of rope to do the girth hitch. If I tied it shorter then it didn’t leave much room for me to make the girth hitch loop. I tried several different ties before getting it to work real smooth. You won’t beat the speed of a carabiner though, but with this there is no metal. So it’s a give and take situation!
 
If I was going to do this, I'd consider a ranger band on the 2 strands of the girth hitch near where it circles itself.....to keep it a girth hitch and turn it into a sort of soft shackle. This would lessen the chance of a mis-tie on the girth hitch (make it more of a permanent unit).

I wish you guys wouldn't do this. You're getting almost no advantage while introducing more failure modes, all over being slightly quieter to not spook a deer that might be close or being slightly faster around limbs. Pros and cons don't stack up to me.

Just be a little more careful with a quick link and wrap it with some stealth strips.

I'll excuse myself now, but I felt I had to dissuade you.
 
Seekbigger said:
I used this method a lot and find it much simpler than a quick link and quieter as well. If I use the Sampson predator with the Sterling 7mm cord it works really smooth even after being loaded heavy. Not saying that it doesn’t take a little effort but it doesn’t seem hard to me. I think the biggest thing is tying with the right length of hitch cord so it gives you the right amount of rope to do the girth hitch. If I tied it shorter then it didn’t leave much room for me to make the girth hitch loop. I tried several different ties before getting it to work real smooth. You won’t beat the speed of a carabiner though, but with this there is no metal. So it’s a give and take situation!
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Did you happen to try using 2 prussics and a carabiner? Your pics made me question if that might be an option for the ease of use with a biner without it wanting to fall when unweighted. Really like your setup though.
 
BTaylor said:
Did you happen to try using 2 prussics and a carabiner? Your pics made me question if that might be an option for the ease of use with a biner without it wanting to fall when unweighted. Really like your setup though.
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No sir I have not tried that. I was just trying to keep things as light as possible with no metal. So far it has worked flawlessly for me, not saying anyone else should try it, for me it is easy, but I’m not a big guy, I’m in pretty good shape and have a lot of climbing experience from my construction background!
 
woodsdog2 said:
These are great afterthoughts to consider with any system @Samcirrus!! Things I have trouble doing just sitting here looking at internet posts. Until you're actually in the tree and using any system is the true test. I am interested in your sneak hitch I feel like I"ve missed a lot about this stuff. Do you have links or more information or is the video above you provided have the information needed to learn this? Thanks in advance!
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The SNEAK hitch: A metal free, releasable loop girth hitch for tethers.

So, I will give a disclaimer that what I'm presenting looks dangerous and scary. If you are a new hunter or climber be aware that this is not "safe" by all traditional standards that have a full rope pass through of a loop or quicklink, V3 quickie, or carabiner. Please learn and use all safe...
saddlehunter.com
Videos included. Can chat abt it there.
 
Just to be clear, I am not a certified climbing instructor so this method and all other methods people must use at their own risk. These methods have been tried and tested by me and I am more than comfortable using them or I wouldn’t share them!!! That being said, take a look!
So anyone who would want a SELF CINCHING, easy way to go around limbs with no metal here is what is working for me! I’ve been working on this and finally got the chance to finalize it today, it’s the same principle I’ve been using except in place of the prussic which adds friction I just made a double loop closed with two fisherman knots which allows it to slide up and down like a sewn eye on a regular tether. This way I can use it like normal to go up and down and still have a quick, metal free way to bypass limbs! I am always curious what people think, so lay it on me lol!
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Seekbigger said:
Just to be clear, I am not a certified climbing instructor so this method and all other methods people must use at their own risk. These methods have been tried and tested by me and I am more than comfortable using them or I wouldn’t share them!!! That being said, take a look!
So anyone who would want a SELF CINCHING, easy way to go around limbs with no metal here is what is working for me! I’ve been working on this and finally got the chance to finalize it today, it’s the same principle I’ve been using except in place of the prussic which adds friction I just made a double loop closed with two fisherman knots which allows it to slide up and down like a sewn eye on a regular tether. This way I can use it like normal to go up and down and still have a quick, metal free way to bypass limbs! I am always curious what people think, so lay it on me lol!
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I'll check it and try it out if you make a video of how to tie it!
 
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