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Fl Canopy Stalker said:
Both. 2670 lbs main line especially an aramid main line is troubling enough because it’ll have a very low safety factor built in and the 7/64 amsteel won’t handle any accidental shock load very well. If the hitch slides that easily while loaded, it’s also very likely it won’t have the same holding power as more well known tried and true hitches. Amsteel doesn’t have a high melting point so if the hitch were to slide too quickly from a fall, that’s a recipe for failure. I hear people use the argument, amsteel is used for bridges on saddles. Yes but it’s 1/4” with over 7000 lbs break strength with a long long bury. It’s rarely adjusted so less subject to friction in the first place and most importantly it’s designed to be used in combination with other materials that help absorb the shock. With that “lineman’s” rope there is no shock assistance if you fell.. and lineman’s ropes are adjusted quite often while climbing so it’s possible that thin thin amsteel hitch is melted and you don’t know it. That’s a no for me until I see some rigorous testing done. If it can’t pass some ideal condition while brand new from the factory testing, how can you trust it a season or two in when conditions aren’t ideal? Again these are my opinions. I won’t say you shouldn’t buy it, I’m simply saying I wouldn’t and won’t until I’ve seen proof it’s safe.
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The love affair with amsteel on this board is absolutely mind numbing to me.
 
bodark said:
The love affair with amsteel on this board is absolutely mind numbing to me.
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Yes!!!! Exactly!!!!!

Between the love affair with amsteel and using ascenders out of spec (instead of a tried and true friction hitch and tender), it’s a miracle we haven’t seen or heard of more incidents.
 
sojourner said:
Yes!!!! Exactly!!!!!

Between the love affair with amsteel and using ascenders out of spec (instead of a tried and true friction hitch and tender), it’s a miracle we haven’t seen or heard of more incidents.
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Stay tuned lol I know there’s an incident involving a fall where someone didn’t have a stopper knot on their tether. I’m pretty sure the more people who take up the sport, the more incidents that will occur
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
Don’t get me wrong I love amsteel. It’s light weight, super strong, abrasion resistant, water proof, and very UV resistant. However it’s definitely not for every application and that point is lost on some
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Worth repeating, it's great stuff but it has limitations
 
sojourner said:
Yes!!!! Exactly!!!!!

Between the love affair with amsteel and using ascenders out of spec (instead of a tried and true friction hitch and tender), it’s a miracle we haven’t seen or heard of more incidents.
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Dead men tell no tails

Im waiting for the handle of my safeguard to torque off.


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Aeds151 said:
Dead men tell no tails

Im waiting for the handle of my safeguard to torque off.


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To be fair a safeguard is a belay device and designed to absorb some fall forces. I doubt the handle will torque off but there have been instances where it locked up and self rescues using hitches have been performed. He mentioned ascenders (kong duck and ropeman’s specifically) which are what many use in place of friction hitches on their ropes. These devices are not and can not absorb shock loads without damage to the rope or complete failure. I have full confidence in my gri gri, I have little use for my ropeman these days as I’ve gone to schwabisch with a tender instead
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
To be fair a safeguard is a belay device and designed to absorb some fall forces. I doubt the handle will torque off but there have been instances where it locked up and self rescues using hitches have been performed. He mentioned ascenders (kong duck and ropeman’s specifically) which are what many use in place of friction hitches on their ropes. These devices are not and can not absorb shock loads without damage to the rope or complete failure. I have full confidence in my gri gri, I have little use for my ropeman these days as I’ve gone to schwabisch with a tender instead
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I use schwabisch on my linemans belts as well. it was slipping using oplux and just as dangerous as a ropeman. The friction hitch cord and oplux combo I used is touted all over this forum so im sure there is more out there. I switched out oplux for the jx3 linemans (not sure actual rope) with schwabisch. Seems to hold but of course, too tight sometimes.


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Aeds151 said:
I use schwabisch on my linemans beltas well. it was slipping using oplux and just as dangerous as a ropeman. The friction hitch cord and oplux combo I used is touted all over this forum so im sure there is more out there. I switched out oplux for the jx3 linemans with schwabisch. Seems to hold but of course, too tight sometimes.


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The schwabisch on my 8mm would always get stuck and I wouldn’t be able to move it with a tender. I tied a “WLR” hitch using the same 8 and 6 mm ropes from eastern woods and tinkered around with it at ground level. Seems to work very well.
 
I’m guess opl
Aeds151 said:
I use schwabisch on my linemans beltas well. it was slipping using oplux and just as dangerous as a ropeman. The friction hitch cord and oplux combo I used is touted all over this forum so im sure there is more out there. I switched out oplux for the jx3 linemans with schwabisch. Seems to hold but of course, too tight sometimes.


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I am guessing oplux with TRC… I don’t use oplux, I prefer a stiffer rope for my lineman’s and tether. I wasn’t a big fan of trc at all. However the 5.5 Bluewater titan cord works really well with 8mm ropes and it bites good on 9mm as well just not as easy to adjust.
 
John 35 said:
He goes hard on the Elevate.

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Just watched it. Thanks for posting that. Man I hate to even say it but when I saw them at the mobile hunters exbo I asked them about their warranty. Flat out dude had to think about it and just got weird. Maybe it was me, I’m not the most trusting person but after seeing that review I’m glad I went .5
 
Bowtie747 said:
Just watched it. Thanks for posting that. Man I hate to even say it but when I saw them at the mobile hunters exbo I asked them about their warranty. Flat out dude had to think about it and just got weird. Maybe it was me, I’m not the most trusting person but after seeing that review I’m glad I went .5
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Yep I’d say you made the right call. Elevate may improve in the future.
 
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