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Nutterbuster Spreads(sheets) It Wide Open

eddiegomes83 said:
Yeah but I would think that you can apply that same logic to all states. So assume all states have roughly the same percentage of people that don't register their py after they kill one. Should be a wash for the most part.
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I can assure you if someone kills a P&Y deer in Florida, it’s getting reported lol heck it’s getting blasted from the rooftops. I mean if you’ve ever watched the news, our people walk into a gas station with a tiny gator that was caught just to show it off lol
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
I can assure you if someone kills a P&Y deer in Florida, it’s getting reported lol heck it’s getting blasted from the rooftops. I mean if you’ve ever watched the news, our people walk into a gas station with a tiny gator that was caught just to show it off lol
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We shot 2 registry bucks last year on public and have not registered them.
 

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eddiegomes83 said:
We shot 2 registry bucks last year on public and have not registered them.
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Everyone is saying the same thing. We get it you don’t register your bucks or you know a guy who didn’t register their buck. The point is you are going to get that everywhere and generally speaking that will be about the same across state to state, so it is effectively a wash.

From a statistical standpoint you can only work with the data points you are given, and that’s what this chart is doing.
 
bodark said:
Everyone is saying the same thing. We get it you don’t register your bucks or you know a guy who didn’t register their buck. The point is you are going to get that everywhere and generally speaking that will be about the same across state to state, so it is effectively a wash.

From a statistical standpoint you can only work with the data points you are given, and that’s what this chart is doing.
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Yep basically what I said...lol
 
bodark said:
Y’all put a tape to these? Or just eyeballing it

Nice color on that one rack
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I have put tape on them. Nothing official. We scored a friend's buck by my tape and got the same as the official when they registered theirs.

I am not saying won't register them. Just haven't ever gotten to it.

Yeah florida typically have dark racks
 
Georgia’s limit has been two bucks for as long as I can remember. You can kill ten does but they have started limiting the days you can kill them to lower harvest. They left the limit the same because that takes legislation where the dnr has the freedom to move dates around at their own discretion. About ten years ago maybe a little longer we went to one of the two bucks must have 4 points on one side. There are some counties that have 15” minimum spread rules for both bucks. Those aren’t necessarily the best counties but the produce a lot of 100-120” bucks but the harvest of bigger bucks doesn’t seem any higher than the surrounding counties. Maybe even less. Some think they have let too many cull deer breed because they aren’t legal but knowing how complicated and hunting one of those counties some I think a lot of their best 2.5 year old bucks make up their harvest. One thing for sure is there are a lot more 2.5 year old bucks running around in those counties and some of them meet the 15” spread minimum.
Georgia produces a few 180” deer every year and enough 200” deer that it makes it hard for me to go out of state to hunt. I may change my mind as my knees get older and western hunts become less likely. Right now there are just too many critters I want to kill that aren’t available in Georgia to hunt whitetail somewhere else.
 
EricS said:
Georgia’s limit has been two bucks for as long as I can remember. You can kill ten does but they have started limiting the days you can kill them to lower harvest. They left the limit the same because that takes legislation where the dnr has the freedom to move dates around at their own discretion. About ten years ago maybe a little longer we went to one of the two bucks must have 4 points on one side. There are some counties that have 15” minimum spread rules for both bucks. Those aren’t necessarily the best counties but the produce a lot of 100-120” bucks but the harvest of bigger bucks doesn’t seem any higher than the surrounding counties. Maybe even less. Some think they have let too many cull deer breed because they aren’t legal but knowing how complicated and hunting one of those counties some I think a lot of their best 2.5 year old bucks make up their harvest. One thing for sure is there are a lot more 2.5 year old bucks running around in those counties and some of them meet the 15” spread minimum.
Georgia produces a few 180” deer every year and enough 200” deer that it makes it hard for me to go out of state to hunt. I may change my mind as my knees get older and western hunts become less likely. Right now there are just too many critters I want to kill that aren’t available in Georgia to hunt whitetail somewhere else.
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I think the tighter restrictions explain the difference then. We're only maybe 5 years into the 3 buck limit and the only antler restriction is one buck must have 4 points on one side IF you harvest 3 bucks. Before that it was one a day of anything with antler above the hairline.
 
MSbowhunter48 said:
Mississippi is right there with AL so I feel your pain. I’ve always said if people from the “big buck” states moved down to one of these southern states they would quit hunting all together.

THP also made one trip to MS couple years ago deer hunting and struggled to even see a deer. Needless to say they haven’t been back since, and they were actually in one of the better public areas in the state.
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And they went to the absolute best place to hunt in Mississippi. I’ve hunted that same piece of public in the delta. Plenty of deer, but it took me 3 seasons to figure out where the deer like to be in the delta. Totally different hunting. It still blows my mind how they didn’t see a deer. Goes to show you how much easier hunting up north is.
 
Nutterbuster said:
Every state I've looked at is the same. Take the soil map, overlay the light pollution map, and the areas where the people are scarce and the dirt is rich are the 80/20 counties. As in 20% or less acres are accounting for 80% or more of the big bucks.

But...you know...for sure folks should focus more effort on buying the right gear and figuring out all about bedding behavior on the leeward side of ridges and stuff.
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Deer don't eat dirt. They eat what grows out of the dirt. People have overlaid soybean maps and other things too. It comes down to quality food or , more accurately, the quantity of quality food available. Crops are planted in good dirt. But, you can produce quality food in bad dirt too. It's just not done to the same scale because it requires more inputs for commercial crops. The other piece of the puzzle is having bucks protected so they get older. That accounts for those subdivision or off limit area giants.
 
Deer don’t eat much dirt. But they eat a lot more than what is planted by us as humans. Especially when talking about public land. There is very little ag planted on public in Georgia. Most of that is for dove fields. Most wildlife openings planted on wma’s are rye or oats. Not like alfalfa,corn, and soybeans in the Midwest. So much of our row crops are cotton. Not much soybean at all. Some corn and a good bit of peanuts. All of it with exception of cotton is out of the fields by thanksgiving. Most of the corn wasted has sprouted and will die at the first frost. For the most part deer in Georgia only benefit from agriculture a few months out of the year. It’s key antler development months but the soil quality matters year round.

Age is everything locally and to my knowledge there haven’t been any p&y bucks killed as 1.5 year olds I have seen some 2.5 year old bucks with larger antlers than other 3.5 and older bucks off the same property. That’s genetics but it’s not something we can control in a free range environment.
 
LAKY said:
Deer don't eat dirt. They eat what grows out of the dirt. People have overlaid soybean maps and other things too. It comes down to quality food or , more accurately, the quantity of quality food available. Crops are planted in good dirt. But, you can produce quality food in bad dirt too. It's just not done to the same scale because it requires more inputs for commercial crops. The other piece of the puzzle is having bucks protected so they get older. That accounts for those subdivision or off limit area giants.
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Sure. Deer eat plants, and plants eat dirt. Healthier dirt leads to healthier plants and healthier deer. You can improve soil, sure, but like you said it's not as productive (Like deer hunting. Would 1,000 smart hunters collectively be more likely to manage property or hunt hard in crappy deer areas, or benefit from the leverage you get applying the same amount of effort to better property?) We're looking macro here. 90% of the time you'll see good deer growing in areas with naturally fertile soil. That's the reason the midwest spanks everybody else.

Urban bowhunting is a well-documented phenomenon. Something I've also observed comparing numbers to maps is that very steep (as in, vertical bluff) country can hold some BIG deer as well. They luck out and end up on an island and they just happen to get popped by a lucky hunter once in a while. But, we're looking macro.

I would advocate for everybody to look at information like is presented here first when picking a good hunting spot. Are you in a good state? Is there a good state nearby? Then zoom in on counties. Are you in a good county? Is there a good county nearby? Then zoom even more to properties. Then to areas you want to scout. Then to "I'll hunt this tree right here where these 2 rub lines intersect in this thicket 200 yards off the back of this cornfield."

Most people start at the rublines and spend lots of time on a ladder when there's low-hanging fruit one tree over.
 
sureshot said:
Looks like IN might be a sleeper state. Also, if you want to hunt IA, you need to plan that out 3-4 years ahead of time. That's how long it will take you to draw a non-resident tag.

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Shhhh. There are no deer in Indiana, especially big deer. So it is not worth it to come to Indiana.
 
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