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Predator Platform broke on me last night

Everyone is arguing mute points here. The reality is if the manufacturer(Tethrd) cared about the safety of its customers (especially those brand new to saddlebhunting) more than the image of their new company and the company "making it" there would be a recall, trade in, announcement etc. The fact that this has been swept under the rug and customers are not even aware there is a Gen 1 and gen 2 proves the contrary. As does advertising "made in usa" all over their site, then moving some production overseas and not listing origin on their product listings. They are in this to make money. Did the prices of the now China made stuff go down, or just the wait...hmmm..
 
Solely on the gun owner.


"The gun industry is the ONLY manufacturer of a consumer product that is exempt from federal health and safety regulation."

"Very often, gun manufacturers fail to act in a timely manner or to accurately describe the safety hazard. This can discourage owners of defective firearms from taking the steps necessary to remedy the problem. In fact, guns and ammunition that contain safety defects are very common. Reportedly, the National Shooting Sports Foundation acknowledges that 40 percent of all new guns contain some type of defect, a fact that prompted Truth About Guns, a pro-gun blog, to observe: “NO OTHER INDUSTRY COULD SURVIVE A FAILURE RATE LIKE THIS.”

Fair enough, bad example, especially since I owned a bad Remmy and should know better. But I guess if we all agree with Remington's practice, then Tethrd gets a pass! And Tethrd achieved on their own what it took a huge lobbying group to achieve in the name of constitutional rights and protecting against government overreach. Savvy.
 
Ive has a gen 1 and have put over 300 lbs on it. Should they issue a recall? Maybe. Would I send mine in if they did? I doubt it. If I was really worried about it I would walk outside strapvit nice and tight on a tree and toe hook it. I think it would be easy to break if you wanted it broken.
 
Ive has a gen 1 and have put over 300 lbs on it. Should they issue a recall? Maybe. Would I send mine in if they did? I doubt it. If I was really worried about it I would walk outside strapvit nice and tight on a tree and toe hook it. I think it would be easy to break if you wanted it broken.

I’ve toe hooked mine every hunt since I got it, not to say it’s not going to break. I only weigh 180# so don’t know if that has anything to do with it. I will
Continue to use it till it fails. Hopefully when it does I want have to wait a significant amount of time for a replacement.


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Perhaps we can have a Gen 1 busting demo at this year’s saddlepalooza? That’ll give us all plenty of time to have our Gen 2s by next season...
 
I have a gen 1 and if it breaks I deal with it then. Tethrd will take care of it and I will always tether in before I step on it.
 
I have a Gen 1. Will consider selling for $500 for anyone who's interested. On a serious note, I always cam mine over by hand and it's plenty tight and takes side pressure well. I don't weigh a ton, so maybe that helps. If mine breaks, I guarantee I'll be wearing either a lineman's belt and a tether or just a tether. I'm really not too worried about it right now. I hope it doesn't break. $500 tyd. It's lighter than a Gen 2 boys and girls. Ounces matter!
 
Everyone is arguing mute points here. The reality is if the manufacturer(Tethrd) cared about the safety of its customers (especially those brand new to saddlebhunting) more than the image of their new company and the company "making it" there would be a recall, trade in, announcement etc. The fact that this has been swept under the rug and customers are not even aware there is a Gen 1 and gen 2 proves the contrary. As does advertising "made in usa" all over their site, then moving some production overseas and not listing origin on their product listings. They are in this to make money. Did the prices of the now China made stuff go down, or just the wait...hmmm..
The whole made in USA really gets under your skin huh? Lol. As long as the big portion of their production is made in the USA, they are following the requirements. Just having some accessories sewn overseas because they couldn’t find enough sew houses here to meet the demand hardly seems to violate the made in USA claim. Here is the link to the rules so you can read and determine if you’d like to file a formal complaint. https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/plain-language/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard.pdf

As far as safety of the gen 1, saddle hunters should use universal precautions like the health industry. Assume everyone has HIV and glove up.
 
Deliberately breaking a Gen1 for a replacement seems more "ethically flexible" than I generally feel. If you actually DO break a Gen1, I agree you're owed a full replacement at no cost, but there's some honesty implied there.

I might be OK "buying-up" to a Gen2 platform on my otherwise-fine Gen1 if the parts are directly swappable. The cost would have to be VERY reasonable with a "that wasn't our best work, sorry" factor built in.

Tethrd should've contacted Gen1 owners when Gen2 came out - it wouldn't have been hard. Not sure about a "recall" if most Gen1s are fine in actual use, but a plan should've been presented at the time. I think recall all/replace broken is reasonably arguable either way, but now mucked up by bad presentation handling allowing other opinions to be spoken louder than their own. I hope they learn from it, improve, and keep innovating for my benefit. I'm not looking to sink them over it.
 
Some stuff has moved to China, yes. BUT I would argue that the quality is actually better. In particular the SYS haulers. The newest batch is way better than the old ones.

Also, the Gen 1 vs Gen 2 argument is similar to buying a first year vehicle.

Clearly they are learning and adjusting to the industry. Tethrd has yet to make a product and then come out with a new model that is worse than the old one. They are constantly improving.

And moving stuff to China like Sys haulers is a smart move in my opinion. The number 1 most important piece they sell (saddle) is still made in the USA. I think they have like 4 or 5 different places in the US just doing saddles.

China gets a bad rap, this kind of stuff is their bread and butter. It's what they do and its way easier to crank out large batches over seas to keep up with the demand.

I'm sure their profits are a little better. IMO that's a good thing, it allows for more R&D and innovation. I guarentee 2020 will have some great gear in the works.
 
Some stuff has moved to China, yes. BUT I would argue that the quality is actually better. In particular the SYS haulers. The newest batch is way better than the old ones.

Also, the Gen 1 vs Gen 2 argument is similar to buying a first year vehicle.

Clearly they are learning and adjusting to the industry. Tethrd has yet to make a product and then come out with a new model that is worse than the old one. They are constantly improving.

And moving stuff to China like Sys haulers is a smart move in my opinion. The number 1 most important piece they sell (saddle) is still made in the USA. I think they have like 4 or 5 different places in the US just doing saddles.

China gets a bad rap, this kind of stuff is their bread and butter. It's what they do and its way easier to crank out large batches over seas to keep up with the demand.

I'm sure their profits are a little better. IMO that's a good thing, it allows for more R&D and innovation. I guarentee 2020 will have some great gear in the works.

If a first year vehicle has a potentially dangerous defect it gets recalled.
 
Ernie has addressed this issue multiple times. The only breaks that have occurred are the back wings. Even if both wings broke off, all you’d essentially be left with a diy lone wolf seat platform. The main structure is still in tact. Once again, I don’t care what platform you are using, you better practice proper rope safety and pretend that every time you step on a platform it or the strap holding it may break.
Exactly. When mine broke I kept on hunting and wasn't at all worried that I was gonna die because I was all tethered in and safe. Sure I was disappointed but didn't let it ruin my day. I knew Ernie would make it right.
 
I'm sure some lawyer has told them they dont need to do a safety recall.

But it's a horrible way to treat your customers. You know the product can fail during a hunt. Safety aside, that sucks if it happens to you in season.

Just offer a voluntary exchange if you don't want to (or think you should) do a recall.

More competition is coming into this market. This odd stance they have taken may prove costly to them in the long run.

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This makes me wonder if I should send mine in for a gen 2. Problem is, I don't want to be without a platform in the middle of the season.
I love mine, but I will be sending both of my gen 1 back.
It would be nice if they would work a deal where they send the replacement out and after we get it, THEN we return the gen 1.
Tethrd's track record on supplying gear is woefully slow. I would hate to be without mine for an entire season. I assume there will be a wave of returns that they need to replace.
Might have to just keep my fingers crossed that a failure doesn't occur.
 
I understand that this is a discussion, but if you want to hear from or get a response from Tethrd you will need to contact them through their website. They, along with all vendors, have been asked to not respond to customer service questions/concerns here on SH.com. You may get a PM but do not hold it against them for not responding to the thread. I just wanted that to be known, as not everyone is up to date with the behind the scenes operations of SH.com so to be fair to @Erniepower and @g2outdoors along with the pro staff I thought I should let you guys know the reason why I think there has not been a response.
 
I am reluctant to criticize Greg and Ernie because I like them. It is clear that they replace broken ones only. Also if I had to send back my gen 1 I would have no platform to hunt from this fall as well which is another issue

Shipping from Canada is another issue


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The whole made in USA really gets under your skin huh? Lol. As long as the big portion of their production is made in the USA, they are following the requirements. Just having some accessories sewn overseas because they couldn’t find enough sew houses here to meet the demand hardly seems to violate the made in USA claim. Here is the link to the rules so you can read and determine if you’d like to file a formal complaint. https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/plain-language/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard.pdf

As far as safety of the gen 1, saddle hunters should use universal precautions like the health industry. Assume everyone has HIV and glove up.
@BayouBeauxhunter. I appreciate the conversation on this. Thanks for the link, I'm actually quite familiar with the laws/regulations around using the "made in usa" verbiage. I"ve never stated that the broke the rules, law , or are not meeting requirements--though they are very much flirting the line in a few places.

Personally, I don't care where the products are made. Its the marketing behind the products that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. They have pushed their products as "Made in the USA" since the beginning as one of their main selling points. To change manufacturing and not list origin of product on the website is shady and misleading. The fact that some people have commented that they received the products EXPECTING them to be made in the USA backs my point. I lumped this conversation in the with the predator issue, not because i'm stuck on the "made in the USA" label itself, but because of the TRUST side of it. The founders of Tethrd were trusted to deliver safe, functional products from the start because of their major involvement and track record in the Saddle Hunting community. This added a lot of value to their brand, and when they went live, a lot of their success was built on this trust. When they were unable to deliver based on time frames advertised, people cut them slack( at first) because of the personal relationships and trust they had in the founders. When the Gen I predator started breaking, people said "no worries, I know they'll make it right" because they trusted them. When you have trust and brand loyalty to a company and you see "made in the USA" all over their site, you trust that's the truth, especially when there are no other origins listed on products.

I"m confident there are many people on this site who are keeping their mouths shut on this issue because they have personal relationships with the founders of Tethrd, even though they may not agree with their business practices. That is another piece of leverage they have over the customer base, whether they are intentionally taking advantage of it or not.

My point is you have to TRUST a company to buy products that support your life, whether its a "Positioning aid" or a "tree stand platform" or whatever. People are starting to see through the marketing BS, and questioning their own loyalty and trust. This is even more so when their personal safety is a factor. Sure, you MAY not fall to your death IF the platform breaks at height, but you can still get seriously hurt even if you're tethered in. What if they are using a screw in step as a backpack hanger and it breaks and you get stabbed in the ey by a slight drop and swing? , or it happens when they have full weight on it and are adjusting their ropeman, or a "drop shot" behind them when they are fully weighting it and have slack in their tether(right, no one ever has slack in their tether)...the scenarios are endless.

Tethrd has the social responsibility to their consumers to deliver safe products and and communicate any possible safety concerns, or changes to their products to their customers. Not just with an announcement on FB. They should be going out of their way to proactively reach out to every customer they know bought a Gen I predator and alert the public so they can be educated about the different Tethrd platforms they may encounter in the used market. Many of their customers that are most effected are the ones that supported them from the beginning and helped get them off their feet-they owe it to them at the very least.

I think enough people are starting to be concerned about the Predator and other issues that we will see more threads and comments moving forward. Especially as their customer base grows to those who weren't around when Tethrd didn't exist. I think its important those opinions and experiences are shared freely so that everyone can make their own decisions and be a conscientious consumer. I want to make it clear that as much as the Tethrd team may think I have a vendetta against them that is not the case. Coming from an area of risk management I just find it important that facts and details are discussed openly and people are made aware of the issues and potential risks involved with a product when a manufacturer isn't necessarily telling the whole story.
 
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