Question about 'entry level' bow and upgrading

[Weldabeast]

U creeping me out lizard boy

 

[HuumanCreed]

I knew you were a philosopher!

Buddha said desire is attachment, and attachment is the root of suffering. So don't desire, and you won't suffer. But desiring not to desire is still desiring....which leaves Buddhists in quite a pickle. The Taoists solve that little hiccup with a simple amendment...

Desire only what you have.

"Do you want chocolate or vanilla?" "Well, I think I'd like chocolate, please." "My apologies, it appears we're out of chocolate." "I think I'd like vanilla then."

It depends on which Buddhist teaching. Its not just 'don't desire', but dont desire what is more than you need to be contented. That balance and moderation in life is the path to Nirvana. Dont starve yourself nor over eat. Its ok to want nice things as long as you are not doing crimes or hurting people to get those nice things. Moderation is the key, dharma happens when we try to covet more then what the universe is giving us. Basically its ok to get a nice car as long as youre not going into debt and your kids have a full belly every night.

*Thanos was right*

 

[Nutterbuster]

It depends on which Buddhist teaching. Its not just 'don't desire', but dont desire what is more than you need to be contented. That balance and moderation in life is the path to Nirvana. Dont starve yourself nor over eat. Its ok to want nice things as long as you are not doing crimes or hurting people to get those nice things. Moderation is the key, dharma happens when we try to covet more then what the universe is giving us. Basically its ok to get a nice car as long as youre not going into debt and your kids have a full belly every night.

*Thanos was right*

Yeah, just between Mahayana, Theravada, and Zen Buddhism you get pretty different definitions of tanha and dukha. It's also similar to Catholicism in that you have different standards for laypeople vs clergy. Not everybody has to forsake all attachment and wear the robes. Definitely the idea is to take the Middle Path.

Good to see another lizard person who's somewhat familiar with what the other 2/3 of 8 billion people believe! But, isn't dharma similar to the Tao? Referring mainly to one or another idea of cosmic order or "the way things are?"

 

[Kchapman013]

I was kinda in the same boat as you this year. I had a bear moment that I bought used off eBay about four years ago. It came with everything I needed to start using it. It worked. I shot it well for my skill level. It wasn’t until I started shooting in a 3d winter league that I started thinking about getting a new bow. The deciding factor for me was if I was going to shoot more and go to 3d events was it worth shooting something that “worked” or shoot something that checked all the boxes for me and was exactly what I wanted.

 

[rhagenw]

I've killed deer with everything from Walmart RTH brand new flagship bows and vintage compounds. Flagship bows are worth it if you can afford it and have a strong desire it own one. If a flagship bow strains the budget don't worry, that Bear will kill just as good

 

[Ben C]

I bought the same bow but the LD version. I've thought about getting a flagship bow too. I keep having issues with peep twist and I can't seem to find a good bow shop to fix it. I hoped buying catfish customs strings and a quality tubeless peep would fix it. It helped a lot at first, but as of right now my d loop is pointing straight left and my peep is slightly twisted. Some bow techs said because it's a solo cam is the reason for peep rotation, I just think they're not smart enough to fix it the right way. So I've definitely thought about getting something else.

 

[Horn]

I bought the same bow but the LD version. I've thought about getting a flagship bow too. I keep having issues with peep twist and I can't seem to find a good bow shop to fix it. I hoped buying catfish customs strings and a quality tubeless peep would fix it. It helped a lot at first, but as of right now my d loop is pointing straight left and my peep is slightly twisted. Some bow techs said because it's a solo cam is the reason for peep rotation, I just think they're not smart enough to fix it the right way. So I've definitely thought about getting something else.

I'm far from expert, less than 1 year shooting archery, but I think you're right about the bow techs. I have an old mathews and the peep did move after I put new strings on it, but it's been fine ever since.

 

[KYhunter66]

Still pretty new at things, so here goes a 'dumb question': Got back into hunting as an adult in recent years, having hunted as a teen. Bought a Bear Species fully kitted out, some arrows, and a release when I got going, tuned it up at the local shop, and have put a few deer in the freezer with it. Generally does what I'm expecting and can put decent groupings together and think my technique and form isn't awful from what buddies with more experience have said. And yet, there are these amazing bows out there that are faster, better let off, better components. Heck, there are things I see out there that I'm not even sure how they work (fall away rests for example)

Am I just being a gear hound, pining over 'better'? Are there compelling reasons to upgrade that people can site? If I were going to upgrade, what components or aspects make the biggest overall improvements in the hunting game? Thanks for thoughts.

I actually just picked up a bear species Ev and I think it shoots as good as my Matthew's switch back xt did. For the money it's a lot of bow!! I had to stop shooting my long bows because of back and neck problems. Killed 2 deer with it so far at 48lbs It will kill with the best of them!!

 

[Bigterp]

Personal preference on whether to upgrade or not. I used to get a new one every 3-5 years then I recently switched to buying a used flagship bow that’s a year old. Youlld be amazed how cheap you can get them a year or two later…. Like others have said if you have a rest & sight you like , it’s no big deal to get setup. I bought a Mathews traverse 2 years ago for $475 on AT & the bow shop traded mods for me for draw length. Got all my stuff swapped over for less than $600 out the door all in. Then you could always sell that bow for a couple hundred to offset if you upgrade later. All this isn’t a nudge towards doing it, just saying you don’t have to spend $1500 - 2000 at the pro shop…..

 

[HuskerInIowa]

I’m pretty new the bow hunting scene as well so I’m not going to step on anything that’s been said. My only advice is that if you’re going to make a change just to make a change do it after the season is done for you. I ordered some new arrows just to upgrade and keep up with the Joneses, I had entry level ones and thought I was fancy for a minute. By the time the new ones got here after company delays and excuses I had the first 2 deer of my archery life in the freezer. Turned out I didn’t need them and now I spent a bunch of time over the past two weeks tuning my bow and shooting them to get to the level of confidence I had before with my basic ones that had produced two deer with pass through shots that went a combined 25 yards. In my very limited experience I think knowing your abilities and shooting with confidence might matter more than the brand pushing the arrow.

 

[KYhunter66]

I actually just picked up a bear species Ev and I think it shoots as good as my Matthew's switch back xt did. For the money it's a lot of bow!! I had to stop shooting my long bows because of back and neck problems. Killed 2 deer with it so far at 48lbs It will kill with the best of them!!View attachment 74290View attachment 74296

And the nice thing about the bear species Ev is I bought 2 one for backup cheper then my old Mathews switch back xt was back then!

 

[mprooch]

Coming back to this: Went and drew probably 8 bows last night. Went in pretty much dead set on trading out my bear and getting something new or new to me used. The tech did something with my stop—not sure what but man, what a difference. Draw cycle isn’t as smooth as the higher end bows i tried but the valley into my anchor and hold feels nearly as good as some of those other bows. Spent the money on a 10” bee stinger stabilizer and a hha tetra rest instead of into a bow upgrade. Shooting better and more consistent than ever. Can’t say enough about the shop spending that time with me, working through ideas. Awesome. Kittery trading post in Maine, btw.

 

[krub6b]

Coming back to this: Went and drew probably 8 bows last night. Went in pretty much dead set on trading out my bear and getting something new or new to me used. The tech did something with my stop—not sure what but man, what a difference. Draw cycle isn’t as smooth as the higher end bows i tried but the valley into my anchor and hold feels nearly as good as some of those other bows. Spent the money on a 10” bee stinger stabilizer and a hha tetra rest instead of into a bow upgrade. Shooting better and more consistent than ever. Can’t say enough about the shop spending that time with me, working through ideas. Awesome. Kittery trading post in Maine, btw.

Glad to hear you found a good shop, did he change out the stop? I upgraded mine on my Bear bow and it made the back wall much more defined and consistent

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[ricky racer]

If I were going to upgrade, what components or aspects make the biggest overall improvements in the hunting game? Thanks for thoughts.

No equipment is going to make you a better hunter, you have to make yourself a better hunter. If you want a fancier bow, buy it. If you want to be a better hunter, work at it.

 

[mprooch]

Glad to hear you found a good shop, did he change out the stop? I upgraded mine on my Bear bow and it made the back wall much more defined and consistent

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Yeah, it was something like this.