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ropeman 1

sojourner said:
I will stick to my dynamic prussic cord with 10.4 kN breaking strength with figure 8 as a backup for a main connection.

Maybe my tone sounds grumpy, sorry about that, but I took the day off today to hunt. I have a NJ muzzleloader tag and a PA tag, and it is raining!
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Sounds like time for a popup blind. ;) But really I think everything has it's place and I'm sure that they are safe for ascending purposes. In order to produce equipment of this type there is allot of oversight and testing involved. But I'll trust a rope %99.9 of the time to hold over a mechanical device. It's like what the say about safeties on guns.

But my choice to solely use rope is because I want to limit metal on metal contact as much as possible in order to reduce noise and cut weight from my system.
 
DIYSaddler said:
sojourner said:
I will stick to my dynamic prussic cord with 10.4 kN breaking strength with figure 8 as a backup for a main connection.

Maybe my tone sounds grumpy, sorry about that, but I took the day off today to hunt. I have a NJ muzzleloader tag and a PA tag, and it is raining!
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Sounds like time for a popup blind. ;) But really I think everything has it's place and I'm sure that they are safe for ascending purposes. In order to produce equipment of this type there is allot of oversight and testing involved. But I'll trust a rope %99.9 of the time to hold over a mechanical device. It's like what the say about safeties on guns.

But my choice to solely use rope is because I want to limit metal on metal contact as much as possible in order to reduce noise and cut weight from my system.
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What do you use for linemans belt? And what is your experience adjusting it to loosen and tighten?

I hate pop up blinds. I feel disconnected with nature. Unless I am hunting winter archery in NJ in Jan or Feb and I have the propane heater cranking, then I love blinds. That being said, I did not foresee the rain. Had I done that, I would have been in a pop up blind today. LOL

The only reason the Ropeman is compelling to me is using it for a linemans belt. IMO, it is easier than prussic to adjust.

I just shudder when seeing a pic with the Ropeman being used on the main connection and no redundant figure 8 connection to the biner.
 
DIYSaddler said:
I use a prussic on my flip line but I made a rope tending loop.

https://youtu.be/xKrEQ_sajNQ

I can record a better video if you like.

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I watched the video, but it was too dark to see. I do appreciate your sharing. Can you point me to how to construct a rope tending loop? If I can get the benefits of a Ropeman without the Ropeman I will do it.

And if you have the spare time, another video would be great and much appreciated.

Thanks!
 
Sorry about that, here's a better video.

https://youtu.be/2ersv1oGE1A

The tending loop is just a piece of cheap 300lb braided rope from wally world that I've spliced two loops into.

I used one of those ergonomic ball point pens as a fid. Just work the pen though the rope and take the guts out. Then take the rope push it inside the pen and tape it to the pen and pull the pen back through the rope. But there's videos on YouTube that show hire to splice braided rope.

Hope this helps.

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It definitely helps! I am looking to get some hollow braided rope to make longer connections for my Stepp Ladder steps.

Thad tending loop looks great. I just have one question, why can you not attach it to the carabiner as a backup? I am not sure what I am missing.

I would much rather have the tending loop instead of anything mechanical.

Again, thanks!
 
So people use two loops on their lineman's belt to traverse limbs. If you did that with this setup it would self tend to the opposing loop.

I do use that loop as a stopper knot and when I'm using the lineman's belt as a lanyard I will clip into it as a backup.


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Most ascenders aren't meant for primary life support. Ropeman, Kong Duck, CT Roll n Lock...all secondary devices used in traverse situations on a wall. If they fail, you fall to your back up. All mine are set up with backup connections on the saddle expecting them to fail.
 
Did a little more research on these ascenders. The axle breaking stength on the ropeman 1 ascender has been 15 kN for quite some time (over a decade). I'm fairly confident that most of us own ropeman's with the 15 kN axle stength. The issue is the rope damage during a fall. 4 kN is the commonly reported value when ascenders can potentially damage the rope. This value is the limit of standard test. The UIAA standard requires the ascender on a rope to withstand a MINIMUM load of 4 kN.
 
Ascenders and Standard EN 567

EN standard requires ascenders (in the standard they are called rope clamps) to have certain properties, without which they were not allowed to be sold in the Czech Republic and in the EU countries.

Ascenders must meet these safety requirements, and to succeed in these tests:

-Ascender must be fitted with a safety that prevents spontaneous slipping of the rope out of the ascender.

-Opening for insertion of carabiner or sling must be at least 13 mm wide; the edges of the opening must be rounded.

-All edges (e.g. handles) which may come into contact with the hands of the climber must be rounded.

-Ascender tests are carried at the temperature approx. 23°C.

-Ascender is fitted upon a rope and loaded by force of 4 kN 5 times in a row (+/- 0.1 kN) at the speed of approx. 10 cm/1 min.; ascender is always placed between each attempt to the different part of the rope, that wasn’t loaded yet; this test is carried out both with the rope of the greatest diameter that is possible to use with the specified type of ascender, and also with a rope or cord of the smallest diameter, that is possible to use for the specified type of the ascender.

-During and after the tests the ascenders may not show any signs of damage; the ropes, on which were the ascenders tested, can’t be damaged either.
 
BassBoysLLP, Thanks for the information! Very helpful to know.

With that, I will use for linemans belt use and not lifeline use. When using for linemans belt, I will have figure 8 connected to biner as redundant backup.

Again, thanks for sharing!
 
sojourner said:
BassBoysLLP, Thanks for the information! Very helpful to know.

With that, I will use for linemans belt use and not lifeline use. When using for linemans belt, I will have figure 8 connected to biner as redundant backup.

Again, thanks for sharing!
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Am I missing something? Does his info indicate the ropeman1 isn't strong enough for lifeline/tether?
 
Plenty strong enough. Just don't get caught up up in the 4kN standard testing. Use at your own risk though ;)
 
4kn = 900lbs and they are applying it with steady pressure. That is the same way we use them on a tether, no jolt or free fall. Seems more than adequate to me.
 
Yep. Risk is minimal in most cases. For me, the only risk is when I climb with one stick. A month ago I slipped off a step when coming down in the dark. No visual damage to the tether but put a flat spot in the core. I retired it that night when I was inspecting my equipment at the truck. I may go back to the prussic for the one stick method.
 
BassBoysLLP said:
Yep. Risk is minimal in most cases. For me, the only risk is when I climb with one stick. A month ago I slipped off a step when coming down in the dark. No visual damage to the tether but put a flat spot in the core. I retired it that night when I was inspecting my equipment at the truck. I may go back to the prussic for the one stick method.
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These ropes are fairly inexpensive when you think about what they do. I recall one of Daves videos that says he replaces his tubular webbing runners every year. Since we dont leave our tethers or stick ropes outside, they should last a long time. In the event we fall like you did, might be worth the cost to just replace that rope? Also while were talking, my tether is about 8ft long with figure 8's on each end. I wrap it around the tree and hook my bridge to the ropeman1. The other end I carabiner to my Bod harness. The Blue Water guy said the ropeman1 would fail before the rope, so does this seem like an adequate safety plan(hooking the tail to my harness)?
 
That is what I do right now. Tail end of tether goes the belay loop on my saddle.

When I rock climbed a lot, I would replace my rope every 2 years. I retired some pro on big falls. Also retired quick draws I dropped. Annual replacement sounds about right with saddle hunting when you factor in the elements.
 
I bought mine on eBay from Backcountry's account. New with tags.

Using it for the lineman's belt on my Aero Hunter Evo and reach like the one handed operation for tightening and loosening.
 
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