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Ropeman Safety

I don't. I've toyed around with doing some amatuer testing to replicate worst case real world scenarios.

There is a British research study that cites 4kN failure. It is linked and cited throughout this thread a couple times.

A 200 lb person falling 3 feet with a fall factor of 1 generates roughly 5 kN of impact force on the system. Based on the British study that is enough to be concerned.

Granted, your point has been that a 3 foot fall "should" not happen in saddle hunting and for sure I get that. But with some sketchy climbing practices or off-label use as a treestand type harness, it is absolutely plausible.

A 3ft fall is so easily achieved with what we do. I watch vids posted on here showing the potential. Take any of the ones using Knaider/Swaider. The lineman belt is purposely lengthened so they can push out against it and up. Something lets loose or breaks and 3ft could easily be achieved. It only takes your tether being 1.5ft above you, climb up and have it at chest height. Many of the 1 stick type methods achieve a 3ft potential.
 
I'm all for being safe. That's why I use a stronger rope (Amsteel) and a stronger attachment method (splice). To me, it's a superior, and safer method in every way. I would expect my tether, Ropeman, or carabiner to fail before the Amsteel bridge.

I'm not advocating anyone should be less safe. The reason I quoted your post is because I assumed (maybe incorrectly?) that you thought Amsteel was a less safe option. I wanted to point out that Amsteel is actually a safer/stronger option even though it's a little outside the conventional box. Hope that makes sense.

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Oh totally Greg , I've looked at the specs , trust me you look at that rope and go , ok I'm trusting my life to this. You look at the specs , and I know the slice is stronger. I was going to actually ask you about the tree tether and if I could custom order one w two spliced ends. I've been climbing trees for a long time now. I do believe that this is the safest way to hunt. I'm still working out the bugs. We all have our preferences as to how we set up. My hunting season has not been a successful kill hunt but it has been successful in getting me closer to him. And other deer. I've had so many close encounters it's not funny and they keep happening at just before day break, when I can't fully make him out. He is going on six years old. I just looked out my front window and a huge six pointer was standing in my front yard. The deer God's are talking to me. I probably should have been in a tree today but I've froze for days on end and needed a break.
I'm all about the spliced ends it really is less bulk. I would like a more adjustable bridge. I'm still feeling all that out though. Hip and back pressure can be an issue over time. There is a lot of learning going on which is the cool part of this hunting style. It is often said two points of contact in your set up. So by running the tree tether back through the saddle I would be adding a second stop. It may not be any of that that fails. It could be that your platform fails, let's say it did , and the sudden jerk broke something else? There is your back up arrest. If that makes sense

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A 3ft fall is so easily achieved with what we do. I watch vids posted on here showing the potential. Take any of the ones using Knaider/Swaider. The lineman belt is purposely lengthened so they can push out against it and up. Something lets loose or breaks and 3ft could easily be achieved. It only takes your tether being 1.5ft above you, climb up and have it at chest height. Many of the 1 stick type methods achieve a 3ft potential.
I've really been looking at the wild Edge steps for just this reason , and that they are much quite then all these stick methods. The kiss method you know. They have a whoopie sling aider and they pass it through the step to keep it from kicking out. The step also keeps the aider away from the tree. I've had issues w the stick methods w an aider kicking to the side. You are able to stop yourself. I've watched a ton of these methods. I watched one guy mess w an aider and it took him forever to get up a tree. This is not what you want to be doing trying to get up a tree. Especially in the dark. Next I think using the ropeman is a great idea but if! And that's a big IF, it failed I'd sure want that carabiner hooked to that pursik

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Oh totally Greg , I've looked at the specs , trust me you look at that rope and go , ok I'm trusting my life to this. You look at the specs , and I know the slice is stronger. I was going to actually ask you about the tree tether and if I could custom order one w two spliced ends. I've been climbing trees for a long time now. I do believe that this is the safest way to hunt. I'm still working out the bugs. We all have our preferences as to how we set up. My hunting season has not been a successful kill hunt but it has been successful in getting me closer to him. And other deer. I've had so many close encounters it's not funny and they keep happening at just before day break, when I can't fully make him out. He is going on six years old. I just looked out my front window and a huge six pointer was standing in my front yard. The deer God's are talking to me. I probably should have been in a tree today but I've froze for days on end and needed a break.
I'm all about the spliced ends it really is less bulk. I would like a more adjustable bridge. I'm still feeling all that out though. Hip and back pressure can be an issue over time. There is a lot of learning going on which is the cool part of this hunting style. It is often said two points of contact in your set up. So by running the tree tether back through the saddle I would be adding a second stop. It may not be any of that that fails. It could be that your platform fails, let's say it did , and the sudden jerk broke something else? There is your back up arrest. If that makes sense

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Just in case you haven't considered this, a prusik and stopper knot at the tail end of your tether could also be used to hook back into your saddle. It might even be preferred in some cases as you won't have the stiffness of the bury on the tail end.
 
Just in case you haven't considered this, a prusik and stopper knot at the tail end of your tether could also be used to hook back into your saddle. It might even be preferred in some cases as you won't have the stiffness of the bury on the tail end.
I saw dyi sportsmen in a recent video with that set up. Which isn't a bad idea. I have a tethred saddle which come w an amsteel bridge. S rather then cut the bridge I would use a ropeman on my tree tether. That way you have easier adjustment. I have had some pain in my hip and back sitting for long periods. I also think a back strap may help. I'm still waiting for the micro adjusters to come and hoping they help out.

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Oh totally Greg , I've looked at the specs , trust me you look at that rope and go , ok I'm trusting my life to this. You look at the specs , and I know the slice is stronger. I was going to actually ask you about the tree tether and if I could custom order one w two spliced ends. I've been climbing trees for a long time now. I do believe that this is the safest way to hunt. I'm still working out the bugs. We all have our preferences as to how we set up. My hunting season has not been a successful kill hunt but it has been successful in getting me closer to him. And other deer. I've had so many close encounters it's not funny and they keep happening at just before day break, when I can't fully make him out. He is going on six years old. I just looked out my front window and a huge six pointer was standing in my front yard. The deer God's are talking to me. I probably should have been in a tree today but I've froze for days on end and needed a break.
I'm all about the spliced ends it really is less bulk. I would like a more adjustable bridge. I'm still feeling all that out though. Hip and back pressure can be an issue over time. There is a lot of learning going on which is the cool part of this hunting style. It is often said two points of contact in your set up. So by running the tree tether back through the saddle I would be adding a second stop. It may not be any of that that fails. It could be that your platform fails, let's say it did , and the sudden jerk broke something else? There is your back up arrest. If that makes sense

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If you want a tether that has a splice on each end go to wesspur.com and make your own. I made a 9' tether out of Samson Predator with a 5" hand made splice and a smaller sewn splice on the tail end for 55 bucks shipped. It was cheaper and I got 2 splices the way I wanted it. I wanted the sewn on the tail because it has less bulk but it still gives me some weight to throw it around the tree.
 
If you want a tether that has a splice on each end go to wesspur.com and make your own. I made a 9' tether out of Samson Predator with a 5" hand made splice and a smaller sewn splice on the tail end for 55 bucks shipped. It was cheaper and I got 2 splices the way I wanted it. I wanted the sewn on the tail because it has less bulk but it still gives me some weight to throw it around the tree.
I thought about doing that too. Do you reconnect back through your saddle? I noticed the guy from wild Edge does it and that's what gave me the idea as a back up safety

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I thought about doing that too. Do you reconnect back through your saddle? I noticed the guy from wild Edge does it and that's what gave me the idea as a back up safety

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That's what my plan is to do. I was going to use it as my back up and hook it to my linesman loop or bridge loop.
 
Forgive me if someone already said this I did not have time to read all the posts but my bridge also doubles as my linemans belt and I use a ropeman1 on it for both applications if I am climbing I have a carabiner hooked to the rope man then hook to my lineman's loop then I have a carabiner on the tag end of the rope I then hook that to my bridge loop if I am sitting my ropeman and carabiner are hooked to my bridge loop and the tag end carabiner is hooked to my linemans loop if the ropeman fails I may fall but it will only be a matter of inches and I feel like this would save me if anyone has any thoughts on this please feel free to criticize me
 
Hey guys, forgive the new guy additional stupid question, but couldn't I just tie an "on a bight" knot at the tag end of my linesman/tether and connect it to the biner the rope man is attached with? Not trying to shortcut the other hitches, prussick, or prussick tenders. Just trying to understand the why. Really happy with the ease of the ropemans, been using it for years on my rock harness/lone wolf setups. Merry Christmas!
 
Yes, you should always tie a bight on the end of your lanyards and have them attached with a binder to your D loop for your lineman and your bridge. Just using the binder that is already there. The idea of having a hitch above your ropeman is if the ropeman fails you have your hitch. If your hitch fails your bight on the end of your lanyard will catch you. The idea is that you will not fall as far before you are caught. The ropeman is not a life support, whereas the hitches and bight are.
 
Yes, you should always tie a bight on the end of your lanyards and have them attached with a binder to your D loop for your lineman and your bridge. Just using the binder that is already there. The idea of having a hitch above your ropeman is if the ropeman fails you have your hitch. If your hitch fails your bight on the end of your lanyard will catch you. The idea is that you will not fall as far before you are caught. The ropeman is not a life support, whereas the hitches and bight are.
So the prussick needs to be long enuff so as not to be a pain to move back and forth Everytime I move the ropeman
 
So the prussick needs to be long enuff so as not to be a pain to move back and forth Everytime I move the ropeman

That helps, but it should slide up fine with the ropeman, but when adjusting it down you need to be able to grab the prussick from the top and slide it down or it’ll bind up.
It’s kind of a bulky setup.


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If I was gonna have a prusik or similar, I wouldn't bother with having a Ropeman. What's the point? I connect the end of my tether to my RCH.
 
If I was gonna have a prusik or similar, I wouldn't bother with having a Ropeman. What's the point? I connect the end of my tether to my RCH.
So here is the thing , safety first !!!!!!!!!! This subject has come up a number of times. I'm not going to argue here, every person that climbs has the potential to fall , or have equipment failure. The rope man is a great tool! it can help you re position yourself, nice and quickly. that being said just in another post a guy said his friend had a climbing stick break. Any rock climber will tell you something fails its the end of your life! You could break your back! There are other rope grabs with higher fall arrest ratings, most guys are using the ropeman because its small and compact. now what about wear and tear guys. We are adding weight to a piece of aluminum, over time things wear out. yes we should be inspecting our gear often. now during hunting season I'm often going full tilt just to get in the woods!
You should always have a prusik above the rope man hooking that loop into the carabiner that the rope man is hooked too! If your going to do this style of hunting you have to think what if something breaks! There should be a stopper knot at the end of your tether , and if you really want to be safe hook the tether through the loop of the saddle back to the carabiner with the rope man. Never put your faith in one thing. A twenty foot drop on your back is no joke!
 
So here is the thing , safety first !!!!!!!!!! This subject has come up a number of times. I'm not going to argue here, every person that climbs has the potential to fall , or have equipment failure. The rope man is a great tool! it can help you re position yourself, nice and quickly. that being said just in another post a guy said his friend had a climbing stick break. Any rock climber will tell you something fails its the end of your life! You could break your back! There are other rope grabs with higher fall arrest ratings, most guys are using the ropeman because its small and compact. now what about wear and tear guys. We are adding weight to a piece of aluminum, over time things wear out. yes we should be inspecting our gear often. now during hunting season I'm often going full tilt just to get in the woods!
You should always have a prusik above the rope man hooking that loop into the carabiner that the rope man is hooked too! If your going to do this style of hunting you have to think what if something breaks! There should be a stopper knot at the end of your tether , and if you really want to be safe hook the tether through the loop of the saddle back to the carabiner with the rope man. Never put your faith in one thing. A twenty foot drop on your back is no joke!
End of my tether has figure 8 on a bite and hooked to my rch(rock climbing harness). I'm backing up my saddle and Ropeman. I've also used my lineman as a second tether at waist level on a few occasions where I had an iffy feeling. Theres a post on it today. If I was gonna bother with a prusik above the Ropeman, I'd just ditch the Ropeman. Seems the prusik would just get in the way.
 
End of my tether has figure 8 on a bite and hooked to my rch(rock climbing harness). I'm backing up my saddle and Ropeman. I've also used my lineman as a second tether at waist level on a few occasions where I had an iffy feeling. Theres a post on it today. If I was gonna bother with a prusik above the Ropeman, I'd just ditch the Ropeman. Seems the prusik would just get in the way.
I'm on the post now

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So the prussick needs to be long enuff so as not to be a pain to move back and forth Everytime I move the ropeman
You dont need to use a prusik hitch, theres infinite better friction hitches out there that can be used in its place.

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