Saddle Concept

[pse3]

Hey everybody. I've been sitting on this for awhile but figured I would just put it out there. This is a saddle I've been working on for a few months now. The concept being the additional bridge loop sewn into the vertical two inch webbing helps relieve the pressure of the main two inch webbing support. From my personal experience, there is a noticeable difference in comfort between this design and a traditional single panel saddle. I've been hesitant to pursue manufacturing of this saddle for a couple of reasons, liability being the main. Also, the startup cost for a one man operation are significant. With that said, I would love any feedback i could get from this site. Questions, concerns, interest, anything would help me in possibly pursuing this endeavor further.

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[Jtaylor]

Have you spent any time in it yet? Without being too critical it looks like similar dig in the legs/dig in the back saddles. There's a saddle out there already with 2 bridge loops too. https://aerohunter.us/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=89
How are this one's bridge loops unique?

 

[pse3]

Yes I have spent plenty of time in this saddle. I began working on it towards the end of last year. I came up with this design because the saddle I was using did just that, dug into my legs. After a few hours of sitting it became hard to sit still. I was busted a couple of times because of this. This saddle has a true secondary bridge, the ways its sewn in allows pressure to spread out over the fabric of the seat instead of all your weight being supported by just the webbing. I believe the second continuous webbing loop on the aero saddle are for the leg loops. Even if it was a secondary bridge loop the 1" webbing would still be supporting most of the weight, still causing that leg dig, in my opinion. My season starts in a few weeks so I'm ready to get some real hunt time with this thing! Here's another photo so you can see how it spreads the weight better. Not digging into my legs or back.

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[Jtaylor]

It looked much smaller in pics with nothing to compare it to so I apologize. And thanks for clarifying the bridge loops, it looks like it really will evenly distribute the pressure. I like the looks of the saddle and it seems to be really well made also. I'm sure with some digging around here and contacting members directly you could get some of your other questions answered. I'd like to give one a shot if you have an extra, the cost isn't too crazy and you'd feel comfortable letting someone else use one. Good luck!

 

[Treehopper2]

I’ve built a few 2 bridge loop saddles they do work very well.
I have a two panel and a single panel version I’ve been working on for some time now that’s similar to yours but with adjustable tension on the inside loop which is key imo.


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[gcr0003]

This looks like a promising design. I overlooked it at first because the overall saddle looked a little bland at first but I think you might have something with attaching the bridges to the webbing on the ends using two bridges. It appears it helps mitigate the ends of the saddle from pinching in on side. It also looks to help with getting evenly dispersed weight in the fabric of the saddle. Which everyone who has sat any amount of time in a saddle knows that if you can’t disperse the weight you’ll get hot spots.

So it looks like you’re officially a vendor. Are you selling your saddles? Are you making them in house or contracted out? What is your website?

 

[Treehopper2]

I’ve been working with this design for some time as you can see it has two bridge loops which can be adjusted to load the weight evenly across all for webbing straps by adjusting the loops inside the bridge girth hitch.
I plan to some day make one with adjustable straps you can easily pull or let out for individual adjustments.
This can also work on a single panel saddle with additional webbing sewn in to the center to help distribute the weight.


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[jhunter13]

First off - congrats. From the pile of failed saddles on my basment floor building a saddle, let alone one you designed takes a lot of work.

How does it feel transitioning from a leaning to sitting? My initial though was the fixed (girth hitched?) bridge with two bridge loops would work in one position, but pull uneven when You switched to another causing you to adjust them.

Another question - are you getting even tension on both sets of bridge loops? Or are the inner loops carrying most of the weight?

Thanks for sharing. Looks great. Hope you dont mind if I stitch one up to see how it feels!!! Lol.

 

[gcr0003]

I’ve been working with this design for some time as you can see it has two bridge loops which can be adjusted to load the weight evenly across all for webbing straps by adjusting the loops inside the bridge girth hitch.
I plan to some day make one with adjustable straps you can easily pull or let out for individual adjustments.
This can also work on a single panel saddle with additional webbing sewn in to the center to help distribute the weight.


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I think the thing with the OPs design is that the webbing of the second bridge attaches to a perpendicular piece of webbing which opens the displacement up.

 

[jhunter13]

I think the thing with the OPs design is that the webbing of the second bridge attaches to a perpendicular piece of webbing which open the displacement up.

Personnally - I prefer a saddle with the least amount of stiched together pieces when it comes to webbing. This design, however, incorporates the out bridge loop thats one continuous piece of webbing, so I woudnt mind the way its attaches since its really a secondary feature for comfort.

 

[pse3]

This looks like a promising design. I overlooked it at first because the overall saddle looked a little bland at first but I think you might have something with attaching the bridges to the webbing on the ends using two bridges. It appears it helps mitigate the ends of the saddle from pinching in on side. It also looks to help with getting evenly dispersed weight in the fabric of the saddle. Which everyone who has sat any amount of time in a saddle knows that if you can’t disperse the weight you’ll get hot spots.

So it looks like you’re officially a vendor. Are you selling your saddles? Are you making them in house or contracted out? What is your website?

I died a little inside when you said it looked bland lol. In all seriousness, you pretty much nailed it. The secondary bridge loop does prevent the saddle from pinching, causing the hot spots from the webbing. It also helps disperse your weight over the fabric more. I am a vendor and do make everything in house. I'm currently selling tether handles and working on more saddles. I had my first hunt today with this saddle and was very pleased with the design, I might make a couple of small tweaks but overall it worked as I planed. I had no discomfort from the webbing on the saddle. arborealgear.com of you want to check it out. Website is a work in progress

 

[pse3]

First off - congrats. From the pile of failed saddles on my basment floor building a saddle, let alone one you designed takes a lot of work.

How does it feel transitioning from a leaning to sitting? My initial though was the fixed (girth hitched?) bridge with two bridge loops would work in one position, but pull uneven when You switched to another causing you to adjust them.

Another question - are you getting even tension on both sets of bridge loops? Or are the inner loops carrying most of the weight?

Thanks for sharing. Looks great. Hope you dont mind if I stitch one up to see how it feels!!! Lol.

Thank you. I've put a lot of time and effort into this saddle! I lean more often but do sit for a few minutes just to give my legs a rest. I haven't noticed any need to adjust when transitioning from leaning to sitting. It has adjustment straps on the main webbing, if you loosen these straps all the way it allows all your weight to be supported by the inner loop. Let me know how you like it if you to make one. Feel free to ask any questions!

 

[pse3]

Personnally - I prefer a saddle with the least amount of stiched together pieces when it comes to webbing. This design, however, incorporates the out bridge loop thats one continuous piece of webbing, so I woudnt mind the way its attaches since its really a secondary feature for comfort.

Exactly, the "main" webbing is sewn like any other saddle with an overlap to form the continuous webbing. The "comfort" loop is sewn into the vertical webbing, which is sewn into the fabric and the main webbing itself. I've beat on it pretty hard for the last few months and have yet to find an issue with it.

 

[Bwhana]

I give you an A for effort and trying to do something a little different, but this is really not that far off from some prototypes I and others made right after the Wraptor and was not worth pursuing further based on our testing. Dont take that as knocking it - if it works for you and helps, it's a win and doesn't matter what I or others say!

The new TX-5 HPR solution (patented) not only solves your stated problems, but offers more comfort than anything other than a JX3, in my opinion, and that is based on having tried almost all commercial options made to date and many DIY creations.

 

[pse3]

I give you an A for effort and trying to do something a little different, but this is really not that far off from some prototypes I and others made right after the Wraptor and was not worth pursuing further based on our testing. Dont take that as knocking it - if it works for you and helps, it's a win and doesn't matter what I or others say!

The new TX-5 HPR solution (patented) not only solves your stated problems, but offers more comfort than anything other than a JX3, in my opinion, and that is based on having tried almost all commercial options made to date and many DIY creations.

Thank you sir. I'm always open to opinions. I came up with this to help alleviate the pressure from the webbing, mainly under my legs. I had tons of trouble sitting still last year in my single panel mesh saddle. After my first hunt this week I am very pleased with the results. I've heard great things about the jx3 and the tx5 saddles have always looked top quality.

 

[HuumanCreed]

I give you an A for effort and trying to do something a little different, but this is really not that far off from some prototypes I and others made right after the Wraptor and was not worth pursuing further based on our testing. Dont take that as knocking it - if it works for you and helps, it's a win and doesn't matter what I or others say!

I missed the thread. What was some cons that was found on testing? The Wraptor and Recon are at their core a raw 2 panels design, which branched out to Method, Transformer, etc. What were some of the things that was not worth pursuing?

 

[Bwhana]

I missed the thread. What was some cons that was found on testing? The Wraptor and Recon are at their core a raw 2 panels design, which branched out to Method, Transformer, etc. What were some of the things that was not worth pursuing?

I was referring to the OP's method specifically, the Anderson based saddles all have a very similar feel. His method does help some with pinch, but not as much as a more solid method like the HPR or even another pvc or kydex type mod. Nothing wrong with his method at all, just preference.

 

[GCTerpfan]

I give you an A for effort and trying to do something a little different, but this is really not that far off from some prototypes I and others made right after the Wraptor and was not worth pursuing further based on our testing. Dont take that as knocking it - if it works for you and helps, it's a win and doesn't matter what I or others say!

The new TX-5 HPR solution (patented) not only solves your stated problems, but offers more comfort than anything other than a JX3, in my opinion, and that is based on having tried almost all commercial options made to date and many DIY creations.

I have to disagree with you on this one @Bwhana. I have had a wraptor clone and and have a recon. I don't see this being like either one of those. If you think about how the forces would be applied to the inner loop and the vertical webbing, I think this design may offer something that no other design has to date with the exception of the Tx-5 HPR. I clearly haven't sat in this or the HPR but I could see how this design could be better than the HPR design.

I sent you a PM a while ago with some question about this design @pse3

Edit: Thinking about this a little more it seems like the saddle would be great for leaning but, you would lose most of the 'cupping effect' when sitting becuase there is little pressure on the bottom webbing. How does the saddle do when sitting @pse3? Does it want to ride up?

 

[pse3]

I have to disagree with you on this one @Bwhana. I have had a wraptor clone and and have a recon. I don't see this being like either one of those. If you think about how the forces would be applied to the inner loop and the vertical webbing, I think this design may offer something that no other design has to date with the exception of the Tx-5 HPR. I clearly haven't sat in this or the HPR but I could see how this design could be better than the HPR design.

I sent you a PM a while ago with some question about this design @pse3

Edit: Thinking about this a little more it seems like the saddle would be great for leaning but, you would lose most of the 'cupping effect' when sitting becuase there is little pressure on the bottom webbing. How does the saddle do when sitting @pse3? Does it want to ride up?

I agree that the inner loop and vertical webbing are what makes this unique. There is a noticeable comfort difference compared to a traditional saddle. Easiest way to get a feel for how this saddle works. Put your saddle on and pull on the webbing for you bridge as if your hooked to your tether, then pull on the material between the webbing. You'll notice a difference. I dont sit that much. Maybe for ten mintues at a time. I dont notice any difference as far as the"cupping effect". I have three all day hunts this week so this will be an excellent test for comfort. I have plenty of time with this saddle but this will be my first year hunting with it. I went and looked for you message. I'm very happy with this saddle so far but I am going to try a couple tweeks for my next here soon, i can never leave good enough alone. I might give a couple more vertical straps a try.

 

[gcr0003]

I might give this a try and make a diy version of your saddle soon. What do you call this saddle?