99% of the people on Saddlehunter are attempting to be minimalistic, I would wager that 95% are not…the 95% crew stuffs or straps large objects on packs rated for 10 lbs in an attempt to be more streamlined, often more concerned with the camouflage pattern and how light the empty pack weighs, the end result is sore shoulders, shifting loads, broken zippers, and packs shaped like an overfilled water balloon ready to burst at any moment. Buy a real pack and be done with it…Most of these camo pack offerings from hunting clothing makers and such are nothing more than overpriced duffle bags with zero frame or suspension, marketed towards hunters who spend money on anything in camo. If I was on a budget and looking for a pack that could carry and actually handle a good load, I would focus my search on a good used frame pack, ebay or someplace, designed for hiking or camping, then after this season if you feel the need to spend money on a luxury item, start researching stuff like Kifaru, Mystery Ranch, etc.. yes they weigh more but carry loads ten times better than anything less, most would be better served in just accepting they need a bigger, real pack, than attempting to lash large items like climbing sticks to a camo man purse.