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Safety questions

Harleycharlie said:
I must agree with red on this .... the thought of cutting your tether with a broad head is not realistic. Most tethers are 11mm rope , so that being said you would have to saw on it to get a broad to cut in two. Could you nick your tether with a broad head ???? Of course..... but as with any life safety gear you should inspect it before you use it. To compare a deer hunting stand and harness to a saddle set up is not even in the same ball park. The gear we use for saddle hunting is a lot of the same gear professionals use in their day to day jobs. Which is regulated by osha not tma. A hunting harness is not. The thought of falling wearing a hunting harness has always scared me. It’s clear to all of us we can’t trust or believe what most of the hunting equipment manufactures says. Due to my job I have had a lot of training in rescue and rescue gear. With what I know I felt very safe using a saddle and I would never even consider using conventional gear again. Just my 2 cents.
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Correct me if I am wrong. The Aero Kestrel is approved by OSHA?
 
I was questioning what Harleycharlie had stated.

New Tribe and other arborist work gear definetly has to be OSHA approved. I would think the same care goes into making the Kestrel.


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bigjoe said:
I was questioning what Harleycharlie had stated.

New Tribe and other arborist work gear definetly has to be OSHA approved. I would think the same care goes into making the Kestrel.


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Maybe. I have never seen it stated anywhere and I didn’t see it on the new tribe or aero hunter site. So it’s a good question to ask at least.
 
Erniepower said:
If I remember correctly, TMA didn't really have a category to test saddles under?

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I think they did it the same way as a fall restraint harness for trophyline. That info is probably buried somewhere in a thread on here.
 
bigjoe said:
I was questioning what Harleycharlie had stated.

New Tribe and other arborist work gear definetly has to be OSHA approved. I would think the same care goes into making the Kestrel.


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I would agree. The same materials and skills are used it just might not be third party tested. In my industry it is common to see the phrase "built to such and such standard" meaning it was designed and built with the intention of being able to pass, but hasn't necessarily been tested.

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bigjoe said:
I was questioning what Harleycharlie had stated.

New Tribe and other arborist work gear definetly has to be OSHA approved. I would think the same care goes into making the Kestrel.


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Sorry if I may have miss lead anyone, like I said a lot of the same gear we use is some of the same gear that professionals use .......... which is regulated osha . I wasn’t talking about the kestrel itself , I was referring to the climbing ropes , carabiners and ascending devices. I have no idea if the kestrel is or not ......however I don’t think it would be a bad idea. Nor do I think someone climbing trees for a living ( professional arborist) would chose the kestrel for his everyday day saddle, because arborist saddles is better suited for that application.
 
Evidently I miss construed what you were conveying.

This is what I dislike about emails, texting etc. So much communication is lost or misinterpreted.




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bigjoe said:
Evidently I miss construed what you were conveying.

This is what I dislike about emails, texting etc. So much communication is lost or misinterpreted.




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2X emotion, facial expression and tone of voice are all missing from written communication. Only explicit things in a written text can be interpreted correctly. Implied things cannot. :)
 
Great discussion guys! I wish I had the link to that video of the guy chopping a rope with an axe then testing the strength on a fancy machine and the strength on the rope even after a blow with an axe was incredible, which would be way worse than a slight bump with a broad head could do.

I think the greatest risk for saddle hunters is like mentioned before with one addition. Tying knots and making sure you understand the safety aspect, like ensuring you're always tied/clipped in, like when switching from tether to lineman belt or to srt etc. I think I could be way too easy to be in a rush, it's dark, you're tired, and you mess up.

The other thing that I've seen a bunch, which was pounded into my head from my younger rock climbing days, is to make sure you tie off the end of you're rope, and add a bite of you can. I do this with my tether, so the end won't go through the ropeman or prusik depending on what you do. It would be pretty easy to grab your ropeman our prusik to adjust your tether length and slide right off of the end of it.

So basically because the rope is practically bomb proof, I will probably replace it every year regardless, I'm adding my redundancy into the system by tying it off. Also if my bridge fails the end of the tether goes to my ropeman which is connected to my harness then tied to the same carabiner.

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