Simple SRT video

[Flyerzfan10]

I'd have to see those carabiners to trust them, but the rope looks good to me. Those sewn eyes might not be useful by themselves. You may need to use a screwlink, which is fine. Some people use carabiners, but I don't like to load carabiners that way.

Ok. Wasn't worried about the caribiners.. pretty much just the rope and the type of rope

 

[okccj]

What do you typically do with the rope once you've installed your platform and secured your tether? Do you just leave it hanging down to the ground while you hunt or do you remove it and place it in your pack until it's time to rappel down?

 

[okccj]

Do you mean 2 prusik's for the climb and ATC or Figure 8 to rappel down? I guess you could rig the ATC/8 for the climb up but I dont think it's a replacement for an ABD, I think you still need 2 prusiks. I have used a ropeman 2 in place of my hand ascender and I had the lifeguard but returned it because the grigri rappel was a lot smoother.

Also while you can get away with only a rope the length that you climb, its nice to have the option of doing a 2 rope rappel with an ATC because it makes the rope retrieval a lot easier. You just wrap the rope around the tree, but you need a good sized branch. I carry one 60 foot rope, rope can be bulky but I'd rather carry 20 more feet just in case, the weight difference is negligible.

Also I posted in your other thread where you asked for the interest and I think it's worth mentioning here. Please be extremely careful with the assisted braking devices (ABD) which accounts for your Grigri or Lifeguard they are not designed to be used without your brake hand on the tag end of the rope. Especially while rappelling. Be careful and follow the manufacturer's instructions.

Also consider keeping 2 attachment points at all times, I keep a daisy chain for this reason, it connects the hand ascender to the grigri or harness, which will shorten your climbing strok(longer daisy chain might change that, hmmm) but keeps you connected to that rope in 2 places.


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Can you elaborate a bit more on your statement about using a brake hand? What's the risk in the way that @JCLINE84 rappled down the tree? Also, can you further explain the two attachment points? What is the daisy chain?

 

[donnieballgame]

Can you elaborate a bit more on your statement about using a brake hand? What's the risk in the way that @JCLINE84 rappled down the tree? Also, can you further explain the two attachment points? What is the daisy chain?

The brake hand for most folks is their right hand, when used for belaying in climbing that means fingers down and always on that rope, you NEVER let go! The danger wasn't in his rappel it was when he was doing other stuff and took his hand off of the tag end. The way I deal with that is to keep my ascender on the rope with the daisy chain connected to my harness on, then I tie off my tag end, then I put away my hand ascender, put up my tether and remove my climbing rope, typically I leave the grigri attached pull up the rope, and hunt. When I'm ready to come down, I pull out the climbing rope, drop it, clip into the grigri, make sure it's tied off per the manufactures recommendations(link below) then I remove my tether and when I'm ready to rappel, with my right hand on the rope the whole time I untie the loop and rappel down.


I tie his anytime I want to take my right hand off of the rope.
https://www.petzl.com/US/en/Sport/Tying-off-the-GRIGRI-to-have-your-hands-free

Here's an example of a daisy chain, I need a longer one to prevent the limitation of my climbing stroke.
https://www.amazon.com/Geelife-Mult...8-2-spons&keywords=daisy+chain+climbing&psc=1

Here is a pretty good write-up on the RADS or Yo-Yo SRT technique.
https://www.newtribe.com/documents/tip4.htm

 

[JCLINE84]

Can you elaborate a bit more on your statement about using a brake hand? What's the risk in the way that @JCLINE84 rappled down the tree? Also, can you further explain the two attachment points? What is the daisy chain?

He means I took my brake hand off the rope and used it to work the lever on the Rappel device. You should always keep your hand on the tag end of the rope while you work the lever with your other hand. I got lazy because it was about an 8 foot rappel. Should have noticed it in the video and fixed it. I was more worried about showing the system working and talking on the way down.

 

[Rico]

Gear list
9-11mm static rope 35-45 feet
Hand Ascender
Foot aider
Oval carabiner or pulley
Mad Rock lifeguard or Grigri
Throw bag and throw line

Can substitute ropeman 1 for lifeguard or grigri but you'll need a rappel device and prusik loop to rappel down

Alright, all my equipment came in yesterday. If the rain slacks I'll be able to start some low and slow practicing in the Live Oaks in my Dad's front yard. If all goes well I'll be making my first SRT hunt this weekend or early next week. My grand kids are fired up to SRT as well.

 

[okccj]

He means I took my brake hand off the rope and used it to work the lever on the Rappel device. You should always keep your hand on the tag end of the rope while you work the lever with your other hand. I got lazy because it was about an 8 foot rappel. Should have noticed it in the video and fixed it. I was more worried about showing the system working and talking on the way down.

As you're coming down it looks like you are holding the rope with your right hand the entire time. Is the problem before you started to come down when you were disconnecting the ascender and talking about how to get your rope down?

 

[JCLINE84]

As you're coming down it looks like you are holding the rope with your right hand the entire time. Is the problem before you started to come down when you were disconnecting the ascender and talking about how to get your rope down?

That could be it also. I honestly havent watched the video in a few days because I'm at a training thing for work. Technically you shouldn't count on just the device to hold you. You should back it up somehow. Although I admit I usually just count on it to hold me lol

 

[Rico]

This reminds me of the conversation a while back about the Ropeman not being rated for sole life support. It's good to know all the rules, then each man makes his own educated decision. I for one like redundancy as much as possible.

 

[okccj]

I've got my belay device, hand ascender, and 40 ft 9mm static rope ordered. Can't wait to try this out.

 

[JCLINE84]

I've got my belay device, hand ascender, and 40 ft 9mm static rope ordered. Can't wait to try this out.

Just take your time and play around at a lower height. The first few times you climb you'll get tired easily because you're nervous and it's new. But stick with it for a day or two and it will be less tiring than hanging sticks

 

[okccj]

Just take your time and play around at a lower height. The first few times you climb you'll get tired easily because you're nervous and it's new. But stick with it for a day or two and it will be less tiring than hanging sticks

Definitely plan to play with it a lot at the park before I take it into the woods on a hunt.

 

[Rico]

AAR first SRT practice secession.
It was an easy learning curve. Just had to get the hands and feet coordinated.
Ascended 6' and descended. Kinda jerky and spooky coming down.
10' up and down. Still jerky and spooky on the trip down.
15' up and down. The rope somehow bound up in the MadRock. I'm using Edelrid 10.5 mm. I had to stand on limb and got it going again. I may have not been pulling the lever hard enough. Made it down without further issues.
I removed the carbiner that was added to the ascender as a force multiplier and tried to make an ascent. HAHAHAHA! WAY more difficult for this wore out old fellow!
Reattached the carabiner to the ascender and up I went for one last rep. Not so spooky and much less jerky.
I used the tying off the GRIGRI to have your hands free tutorial donnieballgame posted and it worked. I plan on doing this.
Now, I just need a bunch of more reps.

 

[okccj]

AAR first SRT practice secession.
It was an easy learning curve. Just had to get the hands and feet coordinated.
Ascended 6' and descended. Kinda jerky and spooky coming down.
10' up and down. Still jerky and spooky on the trip down.
15' up and down. The rope somehow bound up in the MadRock. I'm using Edelrid 10.5 mm. I had to stand on limb and got it going again. I may have not been pulling the lever hard enough. Made it down without further issues.
I removed the carbiner that was added to the ascender as a force multiplier and tried to make an ascent. HAHAHAHA! WAY more difficult for this wore out old fellow!
Reattached the carabiner to the ascender and up I went for one last rep. Not so spooky and much less jerky.
I used the tying off the GRIGRI to have your hands free tutorial donnieballgame posted and it worked. I plan on doing this.
Now, I just need a bunch of more reps.

With the carabiner in ascender for assistance, how difficult was it to advance up the rope? Does it seem like something that can be done without getting sweaty?

 

[Rico]

With the carabiner in ascender for assistance, how difficult was it to advance up the rope? Does it seem like something that can be done without getting sweaty?

I believe so. I was surprised how easy it was with the carabiner. I'm wondering now if the micro pulley would be an even more significant improvement. Without the assistance this is a no go for me.
FYI, I'm a 185# 60 year old in medium condition.

Also, I've been using three modded Heliums with and aider or five WE stepps with an aider. This is far easier for me. I won't be getting rid of the sticks or the stepps, but this is just another viable tool. I'll let the terrain and the set dictate the technique.

 

[JCLINE84]

AAR first SRT practice secession.
It was an easy learning curve. Just had to get the hands and feet coordinated.
Ascended 6' and descended. Kinda jerky and spooky coming down.
10' up and down. Still jerky and spooky on the trip down.
15' up and down. The rope somehow bound up in the MadRock. I'm using Edelrid 10.5 mm. I had to stand on limb and got it going again. I may have not been pulling the lever hard enough. Made it down without further issues.
I removed the carbiner that was added to the ascender as a force multiplier and tried to make an ascent. HAHAHAHA! WAY more difficult for this wore out old fellow!
Reattached the carabiner to the ascender and up I went for one last rep. Not so spooky and much less jerky.
I used the tying off the GRIGRI to have your hands free tutorial donnieballgame posted and it worked. I plan on doing this.
Now, I just need a bunch of more reps.

The Jerky descent is you not pulling the lever hard enough. It's natural. You're afraid you're going to fall too fast. Just work at a low height pulling the lever harder each time until you get a feel for the speed and get comfortable with it

 

[JCLINE84]

I believe so. I was surprised how easy it was with the carabiner. I'm wondering now if the micro pulley would be an even more significant improvement. Without the assistance this is a no go for me.
FYI, I'm a 185# 60 year old in medium condition.

Also, I've been using three modded Heliums with and aider or five WE stepps with an aider. This is far easier for me. I won't be getting rid of the sticks or the stepps, but this is just another viable tool. I'll let the terrain and the set dictate the technique.

That's exactly how I treat it. Its specific to each hunt. But once you get it dialed in you will be far less sweaty than using sticks or stepps.
As far as the carabiner assistance, I'm in really good shape and lift weights and work out a lot. It's still more difficult for me without the carabiner but I can manage. For your average person the carabiner is a must and that's why I showed that system in my video instead of the no carabiner method

 

[JCLINE84]

 

[JCLINE84]

I should have put this part in the video but you should absolutely tie this simple knot to lock off your tag end. Although I am guilty of not doing it all the time.

 

[celestialproduct]

Did my first ascend on my rather large tree in my backyard using just a prusik and "sling"(aka climbing webbing with a water knot)

One thing was it was kinda hard to throw a line. I used Paracord and I needed my muddy carabiner to get it over the crotch of my tree. At first I had a small lighter carabiner on there but it wouldn't make any distance. My wife laughed at me. I will need to sew up a throw bag.

First impressions is I love this method! Quiet and fast. I was able to make it up over 10' with minimal effort and sweat. I thought it was going to be hard being it's all friction knots. Boy was I wrong.

Im not in the greatest of shape unless you consider round. I'm 5'6/7"ish and over 180lbs. Yup! A certified chubster who loves french fries. The "hardest" part to get used to(2-3step ups) was standing up straight with the sling. You have to commit 110% and trust your gear and kinda just have to give the rope a good humpin'.

So without all the fancy ascenders, it's very doable for little cost.

Thank you jcline84 for posting those videos and donnieballgame for all the tips and answering newb questions. You both are definitely an asset to the community.

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