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Single stick modifications to Muddy Pro.

SloMo

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I`m going single sticking and I`m gonna video the whole learning process. I have been told a 13 year old can do it so I`m giving it a try. First step was cutting down a Muddy stick . Then I will un-box a rappelling kit from EWO.
using this kit and modded stick I will attempt to video each step of the way as I learn this new method. Stay tuned.
 
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Andre Carter

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I`m going single sticking and I`m gonna video the whole learning process. I have been told a 13 year old can do it so I`m giving it a try. First step was cutting down a Muddy stick . Then I will un-box a rappelling kit from EWO.
using this kit and modded stick I will attempt to video each step of the way as I learn this new method. Stay tuned.
Hi there I just picked up a set of muddy pros and I'm thinking of doing the same thing.

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Good stuff SloMo!!! Will you be posting any vids on how you modified your muddy pro?
 

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Awesome! Can’t wait. I’m in the same boat. Been using lone wolf sticks forever and just didn’t want to cut them because they were my babies. Finally did last year and couldn’t be happier but I’d still like to eliminate packing sticks in the woods, up and down the tree, then packing them back up on the ground. So I bought a cam cleat and rappel rope, and a figure 8. Not sure exactly how I’ll be set up to climb and rappel. Gonna figure it out a piece at a time. My one stick will be a cut down LoneWolf with an angled scout on top because that’s what I used as my top step and platform this year. That’s as far as I got setting up my one stick rappel for next year. Looking forward to learning with you.
 

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Good stuff SloMo!!! Will you be posting any vids on how you modified your muddy pro?
I will if you are interested . Did you want to see the e this a long time ago lolwhole process . I'll video it when I start cutting down the rest . I should have done this a long time ago lol


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Well I've been using your "slomo" aider technique on my Muddy Pro one stick but I just stealth stripped it and ran with it. Seemed to not be a lot to carry using only one and the single aider. I don't have a drill press so I'm wondering how you kept everything square. I do have a miter saw.... carbide blade to cut the square tubing? was thinking a couple of clamps and my electric drill for the standoff bolt holes.
 

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I will if you are interested . Did you want to see the e this a long time ago lolwhole process . I'll video it when I start cutting down the rest . I should have done this a long time ago lol


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Yes sir please do!!!
 

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Well I've been using your "slomo" aider technique on my Muddy Pro one stick but I just stealth stripped it and ran with it. Seemed to not be a lot to carry using only one and the single aider. I don't have a drill press so I'm wondering how you kept everything square. I do have a miter saw.... carbide blade to cut the square tubing? was thinking a couple of clamps and my electric drill for the standoff bolt holes.
Stay tuned . I'll see if I can post a more in depth build . I really had no idea the interest would be so high .


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Well they are a great stick and sturdy, my only thing is I wish the standoffs were sharper like the EWO UtraClimbingStick or the Shikar's those standoffs you can just press against the tree and they bite in. My muddy pro standoffs are dull. Not thinking you can file aluminum but maybe? I think they make them sharp on the CNC.
 

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When you cut down your muddy stick, did you also move the cam cleat the same distance you moved everything else? I have a muddy and have thought about cutting it down but looking at the cam cleat I am not sure how easy that is to reattach in new spot. Thanks! Enjoy your videos!
 

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When you cut down your muddy stick, did you also move the cam cleat the same distance you moved everything else? I have a muddy and have thought about cutting it down but looking at the cam cleat I am not sure how easy that is to reattach in new spot. Thanks! Enjoy your videos!
I`m doing a how to on those sticks now. It should be up tonight. The section I cut was from the bottom of the stick . The piece I cut off is 5 1/4 " long . Basically I moved everything "standoff/steps the" same distance and reinstalled after duplicating the location of the mounting bolt .DO NOT MOVE THE CAMS. If that works great and if not
the vid should be up in a couple of hours . I`m glad to see so much interest.
here`s the update
 
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I made my full bury 1/4 amsteel rope for my sticks today. They work perfect on the cam cleat. So I put the stick on the tree and played with the figure 8 and rappelled one stick high. Seems simple enough. I didn’t use an auto block but will. I had 8mm rescue tech with a kong oval quicklink. I rappelled on my normal length fixed bridge and didn’t see any issues.
So why do people prefer a short bridge? What am I missing?
 

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I made my full bury 1/4 amsteel rope for my sticks today. They work perfect on the cam cleat. So I put the stick on the tree and played with the figure 8 and rappelled one stick high. Seems simple enough. I didn’t use an auto block but will. I had 8mm rescue tech with a kong oval quicklink. I rappelled on my normal length fixed bridge and didn’t see any issues.
So why do people prefer a short bridge? What am I missing?
Less slack in the overall system and that helps with one sticking up and is inherently safer. Cleans up for the rappel down a bit too but I didn't go out of my way to shorten my bridge when rappelling down this year. My early season setup was a Tactisaddle which has a webbing bridge but I added an amsteel cruzr adjustable bridge to my loops as well and used that for one sticking and my rappel. I could cinch it up a bit tighter, quicker and felt like I didn't want to pound on my webbing bridge for the climb up and rappel down. I used the webbing bridge strictly while at hunting height. Actually I had both attached to my tether but the amsteel was loose on the biner the webbing bridge was holding me. Just a bit of redundancy in my system.
 

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I`m going single sticking and I`m gonna video the whole learning process. I have been told a 13 year old can do it so I`m giving it a try. First step was cutting down a Muddy stick . Then I will un-box a rappelling kit from EWO.
using this kit and modded stick I will attempt to video each step of the way as I learn this new method. Stay tuned.
Perfect timing! I’m a FNG and since I don’t know anything about this saddle stuff, might as well join you and learn the one stick with you. This will surely help my confidence when I get out there alone. Thanks Slo Mo.
 

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I have a couple of muddy pro sticks laying around. I was thinking of using them for a bit too see what I like in the one stick game. I ordered my repel rope and mad rock last week. Mainly to see what length works for me on stick length and aider spacing and how many.
 

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I also used a dmm ripstop on my one stick up so the shortened bridge helps with taking slack out of your system as well.
 

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I have no experience with the single stick method as of yet. I have lots of questions myself and I hope we can all benefit. I have decided to work my way up to a three step aider starting with a single aider . I have about 9 months to become a bonifide one sticker. I have no issues with the rapelling part of this system. I just may end up using my current tether though. I hang my pack on the tether using a prussic . It stays there for the entire set. I don`t know if thats going to work with the rapelling line. We will see. I`ll try it.
 

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I have no experience with the single stick method as of yet. I have lots of questions myself and I hope we can all benefit. I have decided to work my way up to a three step aider starting with a single aider . I have about 9 months to become a bonifide one sticker. I have no issues with the rapelling part of this system. I just may end up using my current tether though. I hang my pack on the tether using a prussic . It stays there for the entire set. I don`t know if thats going to work with the rapelling line. We will see. I`ll try it.
It should. I keep mine from slipping down with a simple Nite Eyes Gear Tie you can get at tractor supply or whatever I think they're like 8" long. Once I'm at hunting height I just wrap it around once or twice between the delta link and the down line (Your tether) you're attached to so if I enter a little slack in the system by adjusting around my platform or whatever it will stay up there. Then simply uncoil it out of the way before you rappel down but be sure you put your dyna-glyde up there so you can retrieve your rappel line. I've linked a couple of useful videos for this. The other thing is during the later part of the season when the weather is rainy or snowy,, I do what @boyne bowhunter suggests and use a separate tether so my rappel line is stowed in my pack or a pouch and it will not get wet. Once I'm ready to head out after my hunt, I switch from my tether to my rappel line. I have everything rigged up, both my tether and my rappel line and this is where the other bridge can come in handy too, I then do not have to use a LB to take my tether down and transition to my rappel set up as both are hooked in before I switch my weight over from my hunting tether to my rappel line. You may introduce a bit of slack into your system when making this transition but not much and I just put my rappel line a bit higher than my tether to help with minimizing slack during the transition too. Alternatively, just use your LB as your bridge and then you have the LB there already when setting up your rappel down. A lot of different ways to skin that cat. The first video below from DIY Sportsman speaks of the Nite-Eyes Gear Tye to keep your rappel line from slipping down.



 
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In all of these videos everyone uses the old straight tree like you would use for a climbing tree stand. Which to me seems like we are missing the opportunities but believe me, I didn't 1stick and rappel down out of very many branchy trees this year either because it is a pain constantly switching from your climbing tether (be it your rappel line or a dedicated tether) and your LB when going up so you either avoid great branchy trees or you begin to take shortcuts which we all know can end your day very badly. So I'm taking a page from the arborist handbook and looking into incorporating a " 2 in 1" tether/LB system into my one stick climbs so I'm always attached but dealing with one rope instead of two. Here's the video I got that idea from. In the tree climbing arborist world they make these but I'm looking at how to DIY one they look pretty simple really. But I'm not sure about shock loads and all that with the stuff we use compared to what an arborists uses day in and day out. I'm not up on the rope specs and stretchability factors and all that.

You'll see what I'm referring to in this video beginning at 17:50


 
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It should. I keep mine from slipping down with a simple Nite Eyes Gear Tie you can get at tractor supply or whatever I think they're like 8" long. Once I'm at hunting height I just wrap it around once or twice between the delta link and the down line (Your tether) you're attached to so if I enter a little slack in the system by adjusting around my platform or whatever it will stay up there. Then simply uncoil it out of the way before you rappel down but be sure you put your dyna-glyde up there so you can retrieve your rappel line. I've linked a couple of useful videos for this. The other thing is during the later part of the season when the weather is rainy or snowy,, I do what @boyne bowhunter suggests and use a separate tether so my rappel line is stowed in my pack or a pouch and it will not get wet. Once I'm ready to head out after my hunt, I switch from my tether to my rappel line. I have everything rigged up, both my tether and my rappel line and this is where the other bridge can come in handy too, I then do not have to use a LB to take my tether down and transition to my rappel set up as both are hooked in before I switch my weight over from my hunting tether to my rappel line. You may introduce a bit of slack into your system when making this transition but not much and I just put my rappel line a bit higher than my tether to help with minimizing slack during the transition too. Alternatively, just use your LB as your bridge and then you have the LB there already when setting up your rappel down. A lot of different ways to skin that cat. The first video below from DIY Sportsman speaks of the Nite-Eyes Gear Tye to keep your rappel line from slipping down.



You just put 3 of the best one sticking vids in one place. good job!
 
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