@Gbk68, I am in Rochester and one stick climbed using a combination stick/platform this year, which is also my first year saddle hunting. I have used a climber as well as sticks and a hang on. This method to me is easier and safer and doesn't limit the type of tree I can get into. I would be happy to meet up and let you try it out for youself. Might give you a better understanding. Not trying to sell you on it. Maybe I will learn from you as well.Thanks....but a bit of a drive from the center of NYS. Lol