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Tethrd One Climbing Sticks

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enkriss said:
The standing room on the step is less than most. It’s doable though. What sucks about the step is they are angled up with a nub/point at the end that is very uncomfortable to stand on if not painful.
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Yup without that big point on it the stick would be alot more useable. I can't see any reason for it to be there just a big dig into the boot.
 
We buy high-end hunting gear to be able to walk further and hunt harder than most other folks, especially on public land. Now imagine someone is doing just that on a remote WMA and their stick has a catastrophic failure, rendering the person injured beyond self-rescue. No cell phone service, help is probably hours away.

We owe it to ourselves to hold no Brand bias when it comes to safety.
 
Mopar1169 said:
Yup without that big point on it the stick would be alot more useable. I can't see any reason for it to be there just a big dig into the boot.
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I can see several changes. Seems their main objective was to reduce weight by eliminating all hardware. They probably should of just went with carbon. The titanium tube with a vinyl sheathing over it probably was not the best option. Though it sounds cool.

The steps need the most work. Further from the tree, eliminate that awful spur on the end and pin it front to back and left to right if you want to use pins. I would have liked to see press fit but with the thin walled tube used probably not possible. Also the dynalock tab is held on by a rivet.... come on man!
 
enkriss said:
I can see several changes. Seems their main objective was to reduce weight by eliminating all hardware. They probably should of just went with carbon. The titanium tube with a vinyl sheathing over it probably was not the best option. Though it sounds cool.

The steps need the most work. Further from the tree, eliminate that awful spur on the end and pin it front to back and left to right if you want to use pins. I would have liked to see press fit but with the thin walled tube used probably not possible. Also the dynalock tab is held on by a rivet.... come on man!
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I agree, press fit would be nice. Maybe even add a small "ledge" to the tube for the steps to sit on top of.
 
Mopar1169 said:
Yup without that big point on it the stick would be alot more useable. I can't see any reason for it to be there just a big dig into the boot.
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As much as that wing sucks I think it holds the arch of your foot in place. Since that's the only thing making contact.
 
enkriss said:
I can see several changes. Seems their main objective was to reduce weight by eliminating all hardware. They probably should of just went with carbon. The titanium tube with a vinyl sheathing over it probably was not the best option. Though it sounds cool.

The steps need the most work. Further from the tree, eliminate that awful spur on the end and pin it front to back and left to right if you want to use pins. I would have liked to see press fit but with the thin walled tube used probably not possible. Also the dynalock tab is held on by a rivet.... come on man!
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When these were still not released, we were told by a rep that the pin was a thin, grade 8 bolt. I wonder if it is possible to remove that pin and put a bot in instead?

I think a titanium sheathed in carbon might be the ultimate (titanium or aluminum interior suppresses fears of the thing snapping off and stabbing you).....almost like an Easton ACC or ACE arrow.
 
Twenty Up said:
We buy high-end hunting gear to be able to walk further and hunt harder than most other folks, especially on public land. Now imagine someone is doing just that on a remote WMA and their stick has a catastrophic failure, rendering the person injured beyond self-rescue. No cell phone service, help is probably hours away.

We owe it to ourselves to hold no Brand bias when it comes to safety.
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Anyone that hunts alone outside of cell service should buy a Garmin satellite communicator/rescue beacon.
 
enkriss said:
I can see several changes. Seems their main objective was to reduce weight by eliminating all hardware. They probably should of just went with carbon. The titanium tube with a vinyl sheathing over it probably was not the best option. Though it sounds cool.

The steps need the most work. Further from the tree, eliminate that awful spur on the end and pin it front to back and left to right if you want to use pins. I would have liked to see press fit but with the thin walled tube used probably not possible. Also the dynalock tab is held on by a rivet.... come on man!
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That's one of the things I noticed as well. If users are already having issues with the glue popping on their bottom step, what is holding the cleat on once the glue pops there?

I'm torn, I want to like the stick. I also don't want to get stitches on my chin when the stick fails and my chin slams into the top step...decisions, decisions.
 
stone1 said:
That's one of the things I noticed as well. If users are already having issues with the glue popping on their bottom step, what is holding the cleat on once the glue pops there?

I'm torn, I want to like the stick. I also don't want to get stitches on my chin when the stick fails and my chin slams into the top step...decisions, decisions.
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Some zealots will tell you chins are overrated. :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy: :blush:
 
The lowest class material 1/16" roll pin has a double shear (like those are built) load rating of 250#... 1/8" is over 1000#, 1/4" is over 4000#

I have no idea what size that pin is but it would be fairly easy to get a 2x factor of safety out of that connection alone not even including the adhesive bond.
 
enkriss said:
Yea it’s just a roll pin. I have yet to find a grade 8 roll pin online... dowel pin yes but it ain’t a dowel. It’s a slotted roll pin.
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What's the diameter on the hole the roll pin is in?
 
BackSpasm said:
Here it is:

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I think that video, while informative, fails to really consider the difference in real estate sticks with that angle on the step have. LWCG and Tethrd both have that angle because the standoffs are short.

A LW/Novix/Trophyline stick is 4" from the table to the middle of the step and to the tips. A Tethrd stick is 3" from the table to the middle of the step and 4" to the tips. You can either look at it as "it's just an inch" or "It's 25% less space." Same with weight. You can either say a LW/TL/Nvx stick is "only half a pound more" or "It's 50% heavier."

The high speed, low drag, uberlight sticks definitely get there by shaving material and real estate. Pros and cons.

As far as what "man feet" are, Google says here in Yoosa it's 10.5. For once in his life, Nutterbuster is above average!
 
Nutterbuster said:
I think that video, while informative, fails to really consider the difference in real estate sticks with that angle on the step have. LWCG and Tethrd both have that angle because the standoffs are short.

A LW/Novix/Trophyline stick is 4" from the table to the middle of the step and to the tips. A Tethrd stick is 3" from the table to the middle of the step and 4" to the tips. You can either look at it as "it's just an inch" or "It's 25% less space." Same with weight. You can either say a LW/TL/Nvx stick is "only half a pound more" or "It's 50% heavier."

The high speed, low drag, uberlight sticks definitely get there by shaving material and real estate. Pros and cons.

As far as what "man feet" are, Google says here in Yoosa it's 10.5. For once in his life, Nutterbuster is above average!
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I would like to start a petition that bans the phrase "Real estate" when referring to the space a platform/stand/stick allows for. Just kidding...

Well, I'm not.... but I'm not important that you should care what I think.
 
enkriss said:
Yea it’s just a roll pin. I have yet to find a grade 8 roll pin online... dowel pin yes but it ain’t a dowel. It’s a slotted roll pin.
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(Which is fine, and can easily be strong enough to have adequate durability). The pin is probably better and stronger than a bolt (no/minimal wobble, can't come loose and ream out the hole, can't snag, etc. - just not what we're used to seeing. The glue may well not really matter, although it's inexcusable that it breaks if they use it. The pin is sufficiently strong to safely hold things in place, and would be even more so if they capped the ends.

The conclusion that I'm coming to is that the tethrd sticks were designed in large part to be mass-produced cheaply (and hopefully reliably) from "premium" materials with a design that's clearly very different from competing steps. No time-consuming tightening of bolts that may loosen, everything press-fit, only the standoffs with a complex design.

Probably a good idea to test with failed adhesive to failure, but at this point it seems possible that the glue isn't really structural, at least from a safety perspective. Might "just" be there to quiet them down.

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