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Tethrd Predator CFX

I have hunted and fished in cold temps all my life. Sometimes down to 20 below zero. I can tell you there is definitely a difference between what you are standing on in those type of temps but I can also tell you that it is not a huge difference but there is a difference. For instance, I like to stand on shore when I am ice fishing rather than on the ice. My feet stay warmer on land. Is it a huge difference? No. Is it a noticeable difference? Yes, but barely. As far as these different platforms go, I don't think it is a valid selling point or advantage.

There are differences in thermal conductivity to consider. But pressure on one’s feet is reducing circulation and fostering that cold feeling, and it’s possibly or probably more significant.

That‘s hard to avoid in a traditional saddle. In this respect a JX3 with a couple of plastic steps for foot rests might be tops. Idk.
 
I have hunted and fished in cold temps all my life. Sometimes down to 20 below zero. I can tell you there is definitely a difference between what you are standing on in those type of temps but I can also tell you that it is not a huge difference but there is a difference. For instance, I like to stand on shore when I am ice fishing rather than on the ice. My feet stay warmer on land. Is it a huge difference? No. Is it a noticeable difference? Yes, but barely. As far as these different platforms go, I don't think it is a valid selling point or advantage.
Yep, I'd say from experience that the main benefit of carbon SHOULD be lighter weight for equal size or equal weight for much larger size. Then there's the noise factor, then the thermal handling factor, and lastly the minute thermal benefit for your feet in the teen digits and below.
 
Yep, I'd say from experience that the main benefit of carbon SHOULD be lighter weight for equal size or equal weight for much larger size. Then there's the noise factor, then the thermal handling factor, and lastly the minute thermal benefit for your feet in the teen digits and below.
And just like that we’re back on track.
Lighter weight and no metallic pinging.
I can make sense of this.
 
Yep, I'd say from experience that the main benefit of carbon SHOULD be lighter weight for equal size or equal weight for much larger size. Then there's the noise factor, then the thermal handling factor, and lastly the minute thermal benefit for your feet in the teen digits and below.
This is how I look at it also. But Tethrd didn't even hit the first one of those benefits with the CFX ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I dont much care what the science says, a piece of carpet on the platform makes a big difference in how warm my feet stay.
I can also get on board with this.
I disagree 200% but it’ll matter as little to you as cold aluminum does to my booted feet. And I bet we’d still have a great time arguing about it in the tree. A real Jerry & George episode up there.
Actually sounds like a blast. Bring your carpeted platform to Ohio for the late season and let’s get it done.
 
I can also get on board with this.
I disagree 200% but it’ll matter as little to you as cold aluminum does to my booted feet. And I bet we’d still have a great time arguing about it in the tree. A real Jerry & George episode up there.
Actually sounds like a blast. Bring your carpeted platform to Ohio for the late season and let’s get it done.
Before I had money to buy my own gear, my boots were old school leather milsurp boots and cotton socks because that's what dad wore and he said they were good enough. Without carpet my feet got so cold and hurt so bad it was hard to stay in the tree if the temp got below about 35. With carpet, they would be cold at that temp but not painfully so. I have better boots and socks now and that makes a big difference but I think the big kicker is the barrier from air movement below your feet more so than whether you are on aluminum, steel or carbon grate. No reason for me to argue with you about it in the tree, you have every right in the world to be entirely wrong. :p Ohio is on my list but I'm not sure about late season. ;)
 
Before I had money to buy my own gear, my boots were old school leather milsurp boots and cotton socks because that's what dad wore and he said they were good enough. Without carpet my feet got so cold and hurt so bad it was hard to stay in the tree if the temp got below about 35. With carpet, they would be cold at that temp but not painfully so. I have better boots and socks now and that makes a big difference but I think the big kicker is the barrier from air movement below your feet more so than whether you are on aluminum, steel or carbon grate. No reason for me to argue with you about it in the tree, you have every right in the world to be entirely wrong. :p Ohio is on my list but I'm not sure about late season. ;)
It’s like talking to a mirror, it really is.
A broken mirror who is wrong and living in bizarroworld and thinks carpets belong outdoors…but a mirror nonetheless.
I just love this guy.
 
While the discussion of physics and engineering on saddlehunter from folks with BS degrees from google are exceedingly painful for me to read through, I am proud to see so many of y’all going back to the basics we learned in 3rd grade. You got that right, the scientific method. Y’all have only made it 1/2 way though i.e. 1. observation/question 2. Research Topic 3. Hypothesisize. You still need to Test your hypothesis with an experiment, analyze the data, and report back with your conclusions :smile:

So I will give it to Mav. The easiest and most accurate way for us laymen to confirm the science we experience is to perform tests. I would try to eliminate the human as a variable since us humans are painfully subjective creatures, but if a subjective human is all you have that will work perfectly fine for your own results.

variables to consider:
Wood vs Aluminum (since most probably don’t have CF)
Aluminum sheet VS Aluminum grate
Thickness of sole and style of boot I.e. hiker vs mud boot
Insulation level of boot

What you could keep constant:
Temperature
Sock
Keep the size and piece of aluminum the same
time on the stand

You kids have fun! I can’t wait to see your tri-fold poster board science projects. Presentations will be February 11th.
 
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While the discussion of physics and engineering on saddlehunter from folks with BS degrees from google are exceedingly painful for me to read through, I am proud to see so many of y’all going back to the basics we learned in 3rd grade. You got that right, the scientific method. Y’all have only made it 1/2 way though i.e. 1. observation/question 2. Research Topic 3. Hypothesisize. You still need to Test your hypothesis with an experiment, analyze the data, and report back with your conclusions :smile:

So I will give it to Mav. The easiest and most accurate way for us laymen to confirm the science we experience is to perform tests. I would try to eliminate the human as a variable since us humans are painfully subjective creatures, but if a subjective human is all you have that will work perfectly fine for your own results.

variables to consider:
Wood vs Aluminum (since most probably don’t have CF)
Aluminum sheet VS Aluminum grate
Thickness of sole and style of boot I.e. hiker vs mud boot
Insulation level of boot

What you could keep constant:
Temperature
Sock
Keep the size and piece of aluminum the same
time on the stand

You kids have fun! I can’t wait to see your try fold poster board science projects. Presentations will be February 11th.
While you are completely logical in all assessments made here, I must respectfully remind you that this is a Tethrd thread. Pseudoscience and BS degrees are the going currency.

Let me just say: I truly do see the benefit of a carbon platform over metal for HAND warmth. If this plastic Predator wasn’t almost twice the cost of a standard Predator, it’d be a non-issue. I’d already have one ordered and be in the SH Support thread complaining about my shipping timeline.
 
While the discussion of physics and engineering on saddlehunter from folks with BS degrees from google are exceedingly painful for me to read through, I am proud to see so many of y’all going back to the basics we learned in 3rd grade. You got that right, the scientific method. Y’all have only made it 1/2 way though i.e. 1. observation/question 2. Research Topic 3. Hypothesisize. You still need to Test your hypothesis with an experiment, analyze the data, and report back with your conclusions :smile:

So I will give it to Mav. The easiest and most accurate way for us laymen to confirm the science we experience is to perform tests. I would try to eliminate the human as a variable since us humans are painfully subjective creatures, but if a subjective human is all you have that will work perfectly fine for your own results.

variables to consider:
Wood vs Aluminum (since most probably don’t have CF)
Aluminum sheet VS Aluminum grate
Thickness of sole and style of boot I.e. hiker vs mud boot
Insulation level of boot

What you could keep constant:
Temperature
Sock
Keep the size and piece of aluminum the same
time on the stand

You kids have fun! I can’t wait to see your try fold poster board science projects. Presentations will be February 11th.
Me: So I sat all morning. I didn't see any deer. But I figured out which platform shoe combination works best in the cold weather.

Wife: So you weren't really hunting? You spent all morning playing around in the woods?

Me: Where is the poster board? I got a presentation due Feb. 11th. :tearsofjoy:
 
While the discussion of physics and engineering on saddlehunter from folks with BS degrees from google are exceedingly painful for me to read through, I am proud to see so many of y’all going back to the basics we learned in 3rd grade. You got that right, the scientific method. Y’all have only made it 1/2 way though i.e. 1. observation/question 2. Research Topic 3. Hypothesisize. You still need to Test your hypothesis with an experiment, analyze the data, and report back with your conclusions :smile:

So I will give it to Mav. The easiest and most accurate way for us laymen to confirm the science we experience is to perform tests. I would try to eliminate the human as a variable since us humans are painfully subjective creatures, but if a subjective human is all you have that will work perfectly fine for your own results.

variables to consider:
Wood vs Aluminum (since most probably don’t have CF)
Aluminum sheet VS Aluminum grate
Thickness of sole and style of boot I.e. hiker vs mud boot
Insulation level of boot

What you could keep constant:
Temperature
Sock
Keep the size and piece of aluminum the same
time on the stand

You kids have fun! I can’t wait to see your try fold poster board science projects. Presentations will be February 11th.
Idk, I feel like this one is much simpler and doesn't require the scientific method or even basic math. what transfers heat away from a boot faster, a heat sink or an insulator? aluminum is the most commonly used material for heat sinking, and is widely understood to efficiently transfer heat from a solid surface to air. I've not once seen carbon fiber used as a heat sink, and I've seen it used for a lot of ridiculous purposes just because of cool-factor. Heck I even saw a company use it for a hunting platform.

But I have zero interest in this platform, it's a misapplication of the material. Without ever holding the thing, I can tell it is bulky, brittle, has poor abrasion resistance, I've seen cows with sharper teeth, I don't like the sound of it on bark, and it's mother is a hoe.
 
Before I had money to buy my own gear, my boots were old school leather milsurp boots and cotton socks because that's what dad wore and he said they were good enough. Without carpet my feet got so cold and hurt so bad it was hard to stay in the tree if the temp got below about 35. With carpet, they would be cold at that temp but not painfully so. I have better boots and socks now and that makes a big difference but I think the big kicker is the barrier from air movement below your feet more so than whether you are on aluminum, steel or carbon grate. No reason for me to argue with you about it in the tree, you have every right in the world to be entirely wrong. :p Ohio is on my list but I'm not sure about late season. ;)

My Dad used to bring me along hunting and all I had were moon boots. What does this have to do with Tethrd’s CFX? Idk. Suppose it’s a reminder that we can have fond memories of crappy gear, lol.
 
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