A 200 lbs plus sized hog has bones as thick as elk. A 200 lbs white tail is equivalent to about a 125 lbs hog. A younger one. And once a hog hits full maturity like 285-300 lbs I’m convinced they have the thickest, toughest bone/cartilage of any land animal in the USA
I agree that speed is a factor but kinetic energy and arrow placement for most people would out weigh the speed.
Momentum is the calculation that is better used to predict penetration. Kinetic energy is misleading.
Like the info but you guys are thinking way too hard and get way to scientific. Go have fun and use proper equipment. You can kill about any North American animal with 45 lbs and a proper arrow placed well and that’s what it’s about.
The arrow was 653 grains it was no where near your documented speed at least not in the bow shop down here. It was literally mid to upper 240’s fps. What’s worse is at that draw weight and length the arrow never did quite spine out. The shop guy pulled up a chart from ethics and basically told me that I’d need a 150 spine which would have added another 4 gpi meaning my arrow would have been around 775 and slowed down even more. Like I said, I love high FOC but I went back down and at 70 lbs with a 32” draw, and 653 grains my bow is still over 230 FPS which is screaming at 30 yards and less. My bow is silent with all that weight and I’ve taken hogs that were just under 300 lbs and several haven’t ran more than 20 yards after the shot. I have seen many deer get pass through with light arrows and even mechanical broadheads. I’ve seen a hogs shield stop a 440 grain total arrow weight, that was at 18 yards, with a 100 grain montec fixed blade on it less than 8” in. That told me everything I needed to know about penetration comparisons for speed vs heavy arrow, high FOC. Everyone has an opinion, I base my choices off of my experiences. Until someone shows me in person that some other way is better, I’ll stick to what I know works for me.
Depends on the insert. If it’s brass insert I use a full 32” if it’s a steel insert/outsert I cut down to 31.5”. I use 200 grain single bevel so I try to keep that blade edge away from my fingers as best I can
Can you define "proper arrow" and "well placed"? That's the problem with this type of discussion, it's a field full of rabbit holes. My definition of proper and well placed will likely vary from others and certainly when you factor in game being pursued and the position from which a shot is taken.
If you don’t know where to properly place your arrow on the game your shooting then there is a bigger problem than speed and all the other things you guys mentioned.
I 1000% agree LOL, the point is there are lots of people that read threads like this one because they lack the experience and/or a mentor to give them good guidance on such things. Most hunting shows on TV or youtube go on and on about the only ethical shot is broadside or just slightly quartering away. I disagree but didnt get to this point overnight, it took shooting a lot of critters and studying the anatomy of the critters I shot. Same for my arrow setup. Encouraging folks, especially the ones new or still short on experience with archery, to take broadside shots and explaining or trumpeting the benefits of a heavy arrow setup at least gets them pointed in a direction least likely to result in failure. As they learn and gain experience with killin stuff they can venture from those standards and begin to dial in what works best for them.
Not trying to do that! You can think what you want. But as a hunter you need to know all you angles and where to place your shot! That’s hunter basics. Like it or not!
You can’t even pass a Hunter education course if your not familiar with this. I would take any body out that wanted to learn. I’m not singling any one out. I want the best experience for anyone that wants hunt. Not trying to be” manly as you say” but think a lot of people worry more about how fast there bow is or how much weight than can pull vs. doing what’s comfortable, enjoyable, and knowledgeable!
Also, some of us have smaller targets than others. 6" is enough to completely miss a spotted fawn.
If you cant hit you one of the spots, maybe you need to spend some time practicing. Flip side, I need to add about 40 spots to my target so I can claim better accuracy.
Everybody says, "pick a spot," but I'm still struggling with which spot they're talking about!
Have you tried the one under the tail? Why you think all the Fairytarians shoot 800 grain arras with 3' long 1/2" wide broadheads. Lengthwise shots take penetration power, helps to only have to make 1 hole on the exit. The other exit, that first one was built in.
