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The Knaider in action

I forgot the strap adjuster on the knaider. It's for my lower leg it seems ok for now.
The double whoopee is a little busy and can be a bear to adjust on the fly. But like I said my spacing is still not quite there- need more practice.
 
sdonx said:
I forgot the strap adjuster on the knaider. It's for my lower leg it seems ok for now.
The double whoopee is a little busy and can be a bear to adjust on the fly. But like I said my spacing is still not quite there- need more practice.
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As long as the hook is at or just below knee level, you will never have to adjust it.

Interesting idea with a double whoopie. A couple of things that I learned. Having the carabiner cinched tight to the aider is important IF you set it up so you unhook it and just let it fall. This is also where the bungee comes in to play. The bungee does two things. First, it flips the carabiner over as your waist gets above the step. This flip action puts the biner in a very easy position to unhook. Second, once I unhook, I can just let the biner drop because the bungee is hooked to the biner and to my harness. I do not have to bother with the extra step of hooking the biner somewhere on my person or hold onto it as I move upward. Then the biner is just by my side, ready to be grabbed and rehooked.
 
Peterk1234 said:
As long as the hook is at or just below knee level, you will never have to adjust it.

Interesting idea with a double whoopie. A couple of things that I learned. Having the carabiner cinched tight to the aider is important IF you set it up so you unhook it and just let it fall. This is also where the bungee comes in to play. The bungee does two things. First, it flips the carabiner over as your waist gets above the step. This flip action puts the biner in a very easy position to unhook. Second, once I unhook, I can just let the biner drop because the bungee is hooked to the biner and to my harness. I do not have to bother with the extra step of hooking the biner somewhere on my person or hold onto it as I move upward. Then the biner is just by my side, ready to be grabbed and rehooked.
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You just need to demonstrate at saddle palooza 2019 i can’t seem to get the method. I think I understand but I’m struggling lol


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IkemanTX said:
Don’t go up against @Erniepower and his geckos......


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Who doesn't like a challenge, lol, I think Boswell in his other climbers would be pretty close if you include setup time, I think we should continue to make as much hype as possible, plus if we challenge @Erniepower to a race he will have to go to Saddlepalooza, lol! Saddlepalooza games anyone?
 
donnieballgame said:
Who doesn't like a challenge, lol, I think Boswell in his other climbers would be pretty close if you include setup time, I think we should continue to make as much hype as possible, plus if we challenge @Erniepower to a race he will have to go to Saddlepalooza, lol! Saddlepalooza games anyone?
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Some thing tells me I'll be there.....

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Missed it last year but I intend on being there this year. Is it gonna be the same time as last year? If so, I can get the time off now


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Stickem said:
Missed it last year but I intend on being there this year. Is it gonna be the same time as last year? If so, I can get the time off now


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@g2outdoorsWe know ya'll are busier than a cat covering up crap with Tethrdnation and all. Any idea of dates and location of saddlepalooza 2019?
 
Peterk1234 said:
Here are hopefully some better pics of the final products.

The Knaider: Try to find a stiff strap for going around the calf. It will help with support. As for the hook; I would not want it larger. I am curious to hear other people's findings. For now I am using a plastic tie to cinch around the foot. Trust me, you do not want the webbing to cinch down tight on your foot, both for safety and comfort. And ya, my sewing sucks.

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The SWaider: Length of Bungee will depend on where you clip. I have just enough tension on it so it flips the carabiner up as I climb. Makes it VERY handy to unclip. I clip to my harness. seems very convenient. The bungee needs to be cinched tight to the carabiner for it to work effectively and not risk coming off when you unclip from a step. Webbing is your friend, better than thin amsteel for this application. Webbing also needs to be cinched to the carabiner so it does not flop around when you are fiddling with the carabiner.

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All hardware came from strapworks. 1 inch metal hooks, plastic side buckles and 1 inch metal strap adjusters is all I used.
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Thanks for sharing. First I am so new to the Saddle Hunting Craze that I still have my milk tooth! I see everyine using zip ties. Why not a piece of paracord tied in. Seems like it would make for a stronger setup, or am I missing something?

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Limbbender said:
Thanks for sharing. First I am so new to the Saddle Hunting Craze that I still have my milk tooth! I see everyine using zip ties. Why not a piece of paracord tied in. Seems like it would make for a stronger setup, or am I missing something?

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If it's not really holding the weight zip ties work great and they are super easy, I used a few on my DIY lineman belt.

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swampsnyper said:
Pretty slick. Would go a lot smoother without the linemans belt always hanging you up. That why I like the Cain’s method. No linemans belt. I hate that thing...unless I fall.
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Admittedly I'm pretty naïve with the topic of aiders and have nowhere near the experience as some of you but I'm not sure how the Cain method would work when he is spacing each Stepp about 5 ft apart. Can you still do the Cain method with Stepps placed this far apart? In order to place his next Stepp and then connect to it he would already have to be in the aider correct? I would also think this would be a real pain to try to set a Stepp while standing on an aider vs the Stepp itself? What am I missing here if anything?
 
Hawk said:
Admittedly I'm pretty naïve with the topic of aiders and have nowhere near the experience as some of you but I'm not sure how the Cain method would work when he is spacing each Stepp about 5 ft apart. Can you still do the Cain method with Stepps placed this far apart? In order to place his next Stepp and then connect to it he would already have to be in the aider correct? I would also think this would be a real pain to try to set a Stepp while standing on an aider vs the Stepp itself? What am I missing here if anything?
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Cain’s method doesn’t use an aider. Just reach up and tie a stepp as high as you can then tie one half way between that one and the ground. Then pull up on the top step as you push off the tree with you foot and step up to the stepp with the other foot. Tie another stepp as high as you can and repeat.
 
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Cain’s method doesn’t use an aider. Just reach up and tie a stepp as high as you can then tie one half way between that one and the ground. Then pull up on the top step as you push off the tree with you foot and step up to the stepp with the other foot. Tie another stepp as high as you can and repeat.
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Ok thanks that is what I thought it was. So in this instance Peterk1234 was able to get 5-6 feet per Stepp whereas the Cain method would probably get you around 3-3 1/2 feet per Stepp. The advantage of the Cain method would be no lineman's belt but the disadvantage would be more Stepps. Set-up time probably a wash as moving the lineman's belt around limbs vs tying more Stepps would probably be close I'm assuming with practice. I thought you were suggesting Peterk1234 use the Cain method with his current spacing and I didn't think it would be possible to have the steps spaced 5+ feet apart. Sounds like that was correct thinking. I'll have to experiment with both.
 
Take this with a large grain of salt as I haven't had a chance to try either method, my kaider stuff is en route. Hoping to get everything built while I'm injured than when I'm healthy I can start climbing, lol. I think the spacing would be pretty close, maybe a little more for the cain method as you're going as high as possible, but with the kaider method you might not get quite as high but it's a lot easier tying the stepp at eye level as opposed to way above your head.

At least that's my take on it, experts please chime in, if I'm way off.
 
This is why I feel like the dumbest person on this forum bc I couldn’t have ever thought of that lol. Great idea! Does it make any sound with the metal on metal? Also is it possible for both aiders to have that hook thing instead of the hook on one and carabiner on the other?


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Zddog said:
This is why I feel like the dumbest person on this forum bc I couldn’t have ever thought of that lol. Great idea! Does it make any sound with the metal on metal? Also is it possible for both aiders to have that hook thing instead of the hook on one and carabiner on the other?


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I taped the hook so sound is no longer an issue. Yes you could use two hooks but I found that the carabiner on the longer aider is much more effective, safer and just as fast to use. Pete
 
I built these aiders over the weekend per the instructions of peterk1234 and so far they are working as advertised. I was able to easily space the stepps 5' apart and if I wanted to stretch I could get another 6inches. I have found the system really easy and the only thing I'm trying to work through is a little slack I'm getting on the hook of the knaider but I may just need some more practice. Overall I think this is a great method.
 
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