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Think bow speed matters?

I've always believed deer react to the sound of the arrow more than the bow. Magnus effect is that called? Stand downrange (with a safe barrier) and listen.
 
I've always believed deer react to the sound of the arrow more than the bow. Magnus effect is that called? Stand downrange (with a safe barrier) and listen.
We used to be off to the side at 3D tournaments and you could hear every single arrow way before it hit the target, regardless of the bow speed. Animals have way better hearing and reaction time than we do, so they absolutely have time to react. It is not a perfect science since some may be calmer, or just less skittish, by nature. Bottom line for me is that perfect spot selection and limited range trumps all other factors. Doesn't matter if you shoot a 400 fps bow or 200, super quiet or super loud, they still have time to react and mess up an otherwise perfectly placed shot, just from the fetching noise alone. I will say vanes were more quiet in air than feather fetching, but either alert the deer.
 
So how are guys getting kills with 70yard shots on elk? Is it a matter of the bow sound not getting there right away combined with them perhaps being more calm and having reduced ability to jump the string? Serious question, not judging. I know there are people out there doing it consistently. I know I don't have that ability.
 
Boy this gonna open a can of worms. Lol. Keep your crap as quiet ad possible, to help achieve this, get a 500 grain plus setup
 
http://www.fullpotentialoutdoors.com/deer-reaction-time-jumping-string/

I disagree with some of the content here. But for the average fella looking to get some science, it’s a good starting point. His conclusions about using more than one pin are spot on.

I do think deer are reacting more(I agree they’ll react to an unnatural sound, but I think they react more aggressively to a sound traveling towards them)to the sound of the arrow - but not because they know they are being shot at. It’s because they hear a noise(the bow) and a continuation of that noise traveling towards them(the arrow).

All that really matters though, is that most of the time, most deer move at the shot. And you can’t outrun that movement. Best you can do is account for it, and utilize every bit of inertia you can generate. Sprinkle on a heavy dose of realism and recognizing that you’re not as good as you think you are when you factor in all these variables.

The general 25-30 yard rule for whitetails was not arbitrarily made up. It’s the result of tens of millions of hunters taking hundreds of millions of shots, observing hundreds of millions of outcomes. Then adding technology and cameras and freeze frame and science and all that jazz to confirm those observations.

I don’t tell people not to shoot at 40, or 50, or 60 yards. I do try to give good information and hope those folks understand math and statistics, and recognize that beyond 30 yards, the numbers do not favor you. Yes, being a good shot and having a fast heavy arrow help. But they are small factors in a much more complicated equation. I don’t mind if folks shoot those distances if they’re honest with themselves, and accept responsibility for the outcome, good or bad...
 
I would assume ambient noise and how thick of woods you're shooting through would help with them ducking. I believe I've heard Aron Snyder say that between 30-80 yrds is a bad idea, over 80 they don't hear the sound... I know I can't shoot at that distance, so I'll stick to 30-35 and under.

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A slightly different, yet great video about broadhead design and sound...

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I wonder if the micro diameter shafts with the larger outsert (like Victory uses) or if the smaller insert like Easton uses would be better.

I think overall that a heavier arrow and quieter bow would be better than a loud fast bow.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. My plan is/was next year to shift to Victory Xtorsion shafts for the added weight. If my calculations are correct, I would be going to at least a 550 grain arrow. I'm currently shooting 411 grains and getting pass throughs on whitetails. Just thinking of a higher momentum from the heavier arrow. My speed would drop significantly but that would be expected and I'm fine with that.

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That's why I'd trade speed for quiet any day. With sound traveling at 1150 fps no bow will put it there in time. I shoot a recurve at 187 fps but not here to throw mud. It is very quiet though. Thanks for the vids. Great info..
 
When I got out of the trad game I was nervous about finding a quiet compound. The one I settled on was extremely quiet and made my recurve sound like a nail gun. I’m shooting 520grn arrows. The bow is so quiet.

I have taken some long shots with it on game. These aren’t the norm, conditions were perfect, and tons of long range broadhead practice for western hunting.

Anyway, I do believe the sound is more important than the speed when it comes to archery. I would rather take a long shot on un-alerted game with a quiet bow than a chip shot on skittish animals with a loud bow.
 
I've watched a lot of ranch fairys vids and he claims they are hearing the thump of the string and then the buzz of that fletching coming at them. Very good stuff. Heavy is deffinetly quieter
 
I'm shooting at 230 fps. But I'm at 67 pounds and shooting a heavy arrow. It's quieter then my setup last year when I was shooting faster and lighter.
 
I've watched a lot of ranch fairys vids and he claims they are hearing the thump of the string and then the buzz of that fletching coming at them. Very good stuff. Heavy is deffinetly quieter
I built my arrows based on watching his channel. Only think I did not stick with was the EZV sight... But that's another topic. Lol
 
Grant didn't need his own advice...https://youtu.be/V7fHzz05sHI

But its only a 35 yd shot! This buck ducks, turns, and starts back up before the arrow arrived.

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Grant didn't need his own advice...https://youtu.be/V7fHzz05sHI

But its only a 35 yd shot! This buck ducks, turns, and starts back up before the arrow arrived.

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Yup. Buck had his head down at the shot so was able to leverage its head weight and drop faster than if his head was up at shot.
 
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