• The SH Membership has gone live. Only SH Members have access to post in the classifieds. All members can view the classifieds. Starting in 2020 only SH Members will be admitted to the annual hunting contest. Current members will need to follow these steps to upgrade: 1. Click on your username 2. Click on Account upgrades 3. Choose SH Member and purchase.
  • We've been working hard the past few weeks to come up with some big changes to our vendor policies to meet the changing needs of our community. Please see the new vendor rules here: Vendor Access Area Rules

Thoughts on most recent poll results, deer hunting success, tree climbing risk

it isn’t rocket science:

Age and weight not a significant factor compared to lack of harness attachment to tree. (Or life line)

the conversation needs to start there. Then we can talk about all the ways to get hurt with a harness
Exactly!! Age and weight less important than actually using the proper safety equipment. And again, overall hunting is safe dudes!! If I'm a newbie on here reading all this I'd probably pause and reflect before hunting at height, which we all should do but again, the numbers are so small compared to the numbers hunting.... I'm just thinking we are making much more out of this than needs to be. I'm not fat anymore but I am older. Mid 50's now. I've been hunting for a long time. I'm also a hunter/bowhunter/trapping safety instructor (a volunteer) and I've been doing that since 1999 so safety is important to me. While I do believe being fat and old makes everything in life tougher, I don't think you can just pull out those two physical characteristics of an individual and say they are automatically more at risk than a 25 year old athletic person in the tree. A lot of other variables come into play with the analysis. Nobody is trying to deny that being old and fat can be impediments. But there are countless other impediments that should also be considered. And again... hunting, even at height is quite safe overall. The statistics bear that out IMHO.
 
I didnt get this many good responses when i made the thred,should we even be using saddles and stands lets be honest.this is fun .some old ghoats can still woop 3 young bucks at the same time with that old ghoat strenghth.and i know big boys with endurance to blow right past a young buck all day in the deepest darkest of blacktail woods.not little rolling hills my kids could walk barefoot.still..........i dont want them climbing trees with me.this is fun
 
We have safer equipment now, I'm old but still hunting out of a tree, what else is there
 

Attachments

  • Screenshot_20221008-153858_Samsung Internet.jpg
    Screenshot_20221008-153858_Samsung Internet.jpg
    444.3 KB · Views: 25
  • Screenshot_20221008-153157_Chrome.jpg
    Screenshot_20221008-153157_Chrome.jpg
    289.9 KB · Views: 25
Niiiiiiice.i only hunt as an excuse to hike and climb trees ,so im kind of at the oposite end of the spektrum. harvesting game is a bonus to me.im just raised outdoors.if you live where i live you would feel me.
 
Endless waterefalls and streams .mossy covered grandfather trees stretching up beond what your perifrials see.canyons from 5000 feet to the sea.stalking majestic Wapiti skirting phantom trails deep down a ravein into the blacktail woods on a bench thats steep, then drop into a bed where you know a ghost sleeps all day.where is he?he just skirted around me while i was looking for rosies.
 
Can't experience that sitting on the couch, I'm not ready to sit down at base of the tree and crie
 
My expectation is that over the next 10 years, I'll probably kill 60-80% of my deer from the ground. And I'll spend my effort, money, focus, time accordingly. And my expectation from age 50 on, if I still like hunting and killing deer, is that 90-100% of my deer from then on will be killed from the ground. This is my personal math. And it has nothing to do with "I can only kill deer from a tree." It's my math, with full knowledge of the risks involved, and the potential for success/satisfaction I've already learned how to achieve, without climbing a tree.

For the folks that can't remember or didn't read, this is the bit in the OP that has folks fired up. Nobody is telling you to sit-on-azz at home and wait to die.
 
Man i love this one.see i have Flipped every motercycle i rode as a kid.so i dont ride quads or bikes.i know some one who broke their back riding one as a kid.though it makes me nervous i let my kids ride.i let them snowboard even though i hit a tree.that said.i dont think every one should climb trees to shoot deer.playing aside in my line of work it is my job to asighn a compitant person.my job is dangerous and i wouldnt let most of these skilled roofers come climb with me.even on this forum i vet any one i send anything to first.it takes alot to convince me that i dont have to worry about my dude climbing a wet tree in the dark three ridges over with no cell service.only a handfull of people fit the mold.percived risks to actual risk.i love that.so many threads just wondering if this strap or that thred is a million pound shock load proof for bungie jumpers when they should be woundering why they even do this.i could sell asteroid might strike my nuts insurance all day on here.you know.cuz it could happen ,but what is the real risk.i have had mis haps climbing branches plastic steps and 2tc.but havent been able to hurt my self like peope do with metal sticks or treestands.just my opinion.aint worth 2 terds.or i might trade it.good convo.is it fair to our family that we risk our lives for deer.just rancid food for thought.

Bump
 
@tailgunner I agree with pretty much everything you said in this post that @kyler1945 bumped as well. The difference that I think I (and he, if I'm reading correctly) are saying is yes, we agree with that baseline attitude. We also advocate for taking extra steps on top of that mindset, both because 1. For me personally it's a "no downside, possible upside" decision that keeps me some incremental amount safer if I make a mistake or have an accident (not an assumption of complete safety), and 2. (I think this is more @kyler1945 's point) There's a lot of random people that read this forum for advice, and go out and copy people. Many of them are stupid or arrogant or uneducated, and might just read something and assume it's the safest way to do things. I'd rather they copy the safest possible way to get off the ground, rather than taking shortcuts, just in case they don't have the mindset we share. Lots of idiots or people that over-think their own capabilities and poor information online. Sometimes that's a bad combo.

Nothing wrong with advocating for belt and suspenders when it comes to safety, as long as it is actual value add and not some thing that gets in the way. It's not a decision that "if I wear my leg straps, I am now 100% safe" it's a "these might make me 0.1% more likely to not get hurt if I fall? Ok might as well". Far cry between that and shopping for asteroid insurance.
 
OK, I am way late to the topic and did not read everything between page 1 and 7, but I still think Kyler is on to something. Why do bowhunters in the east assume that we have to be in a tree to kill deer? (Archers in the west kill a gob of game from the ground...) Are the pros and cons of tree stand hunting really worth climbing trees? I have hunted mostly in Tennessee, and I suspect that most of the deer that I have killed could have been shot with a rifle from the ground in the same area. Many of my deer were ground kills with a rifle, and I have also shot and killed deer from the ground with my bow. Though I don't hesitate to ground hunt with a rifle, I feel like a novice when it comes to hunting from the ground with a bow. Yet, I go back to a quote from someone else (unknown) on here, and it goes something like this: "If you find a good place to kill deer from a tree stand, there is probably a good place nearby to kill the same deer from a ground blind."

As I read Kyler's post and some of the better commentary, I still think this holds water. Like hunting in general, climbing trees has inherent risks. One can learn to limit these risks with good gear, good technique, and good decisions, but for me, climbing a tree is not as safe as walking or sitting. But, as we get to be better hunters, do we NEED to climb trees to kill deer? Probably not. If a novice really wanted to accelerate the curve to being a better hunter, is he/she better off spending hour after hour in a tree stand or stealthily searching for deer to observe and hunting them where the are? How many of you, like me, spent way too much time sitting on stand in the wrong place waiting for deer that never came? This is probably most common among inexperienced hunters, and I guess that all we learned was where and how not to hunt.

Now, I am a 54 year old forester who weighs 146 this morning. I live to be outdoors and have been hunting since an early teen. I don't know how many deer I have killed, but at this point I find it no great challenge to put a deer in the freezer each year. Some years my bow provides, but more often than not it is a rifle kill. But, really, how much fun is it to shoot a young buck at 20 yards with a scoped centerfire? Perhaps us tree stand/saddle guys would learn something if we dedicated ourselves to trying to kill a deer with a bow from the ground. I am not saying that it would be easy, but if we are looking for new challenges by targeting older deer or using bows or handguns, why not see what we can learn from the challenge of ground hunting?

If you don't think that you can do this in your area, try hunting somewhere else. Chances are, however, that someone else can close the deal in your terrain/vegetation and likely is. "What one man can do, another can too."

No one is saying that YOU should not hunt from a tree stand or saddle, but I read it more like, "IF" climbing a stand is more risky and "YOU" can kill just as many deer from the ground, why bother? Yes, there will be a challenge to learning to ground hunt effectively, especially with a bow, but are we looking for a new challenge that may be just as fun (or more) and probably a bit safer for some of us? I still love hunting from a tree and will probably continue to do it, but I am also open to embracing the challenge of ground hunting.

JMO - Hugh
 
OK, I am way late to the topic and did not read everything between page 1 and 7, but I still think Kyler is on to something. Why do bowhunters in the east assume that we have to be in a tree to kill deer? (Archers in the west kill a gob of game from the ground...) Are the pros and cons of tree stand hunting really worth climbing trees? I have hunted mostly in Tennessee, and I suspect that most of the deer that I have killed could have been shot with a rifle from the ground in the same area. Many of my deer were ground kills with a rifle, and I have also shot and killed deer from the ground with my bow. Though I don't hesitate to ground hunt with a rifle, I feel like a novice when it comes to hunting from the ground with a bow. Yet, I go back to a quote from someone else (unknown) on here, and it goes something like this: "If you find a good place to kill deer from a tree stand, there is probably a good place nearby to kill the same deer from a ground blind."

As I read Kyler's post and some of the better commentary, I still think this holds water. Like hunting in general, climbing trees has inherent risks. One can learn to limit these risks with good gear, good technique, and good decisions, but for me, climbing a tree is not as safe as walking or sitting. But, as we get to be better hunters, do we NEED to climb trees to kill deer? Probably not. If a novice really wanted to accelerate the curve to being a better hunter, is he/she better off spending hour after hour in a tree stand or stealthily searching for deer to observe and hunting them where the are? How many of you, like me, spent way too much time sitting on stand in the wrong place waiting for deer that never came? This is probably most common among inexperienced hunters, and I guess that all we learned was where and how not to hunt.

Now, I am a 54 year old forester who weighs 146 this morning. I live to be outdoors and have been hunting since an early teen. I don't know how many deer I have killed, but at this point I find it no great challenge to put a deer in the freezer each year. Some years my bow provides, but more often than not it is a rifle kill. But, really, how much fun is it to shoot a young buck at 20 yards with a scoped centerfire? Perhaps us tree stand/saddle guys would learn something if we dedicated ourselves to trying to kill a deer with a bow from the ground. I am not saying that it would be easy, but if we are looking for new challenges by targeting older deer or using bows or handguns, why not see what we can learn from the challenge of ground hunting?

If you don't think that you can do this in your area, try hunting somewhere else. Chances are, however, that someone else can close the deal in your terrain/vegetation and likely is. "What one man can do, another can too."

No one is saying that YOU should not hunt from a tree stand or saddle, but I read it more like, "IF" climbing a stand is more risky and "YOU" can kill just as many deer from the ground, why bother? Yes, there will be a challenge to learning to ground hunt effectively, especially with a bow, but are we looking for a new challenge that may be just as fun (or more) and probably a bit safer for some of us? I still love hunting from a tree and will probably continue to do it, but I am also open to embracing the challenge of ground hunting.

JMO - Hugh

two things

1. Most “East Coast” deer hunters hunt small lots or “pressured“ public. Instead of displacing and/or moving deer around for others to shoot, ambush hunting is more effective in many scenarios.

2. “East Coast” deer hunters often have terrain that is choked with understory that minimizes opportunities for longer “Western” archery shots and even shots with long guns.

Neither is absolutely a differentiating attribute of East from West, but often enough the case.

There’s a time and place for both approaches, and risks to both.

I’ve only ever fallen during ground hunting.
 
Seems to me that what you’re saying is correct and comes from a good place. What I think you’re maybe missing is the sense of individuality that many Americans have, and specifically most hunters possess. I would also argue that doing something that involves risk is part of the allure. As you get older, many(and I include myself in this) search out activities that bring the adrenaline rush, that tingly feeling you get doing something of moderate risk that you believe you can get through. In terms of that individuality I was talking about earlier I think there’s also a group that just don’t want to quit doing something because someone else told them to regardless if it makes sense or not.
 
Back
Top