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Trad Bow hunter charged by bear....scary video....

I see what you are saying and I agree once he is on you chomping your a$$ then you can shoot him.
BUT, have you been charged by a bear? In that video, when would you have drawn your weapon? Because up until he charged, you would have illegally shot a bear. It went from "all cool" to "oh sh!t" in a less than 2 seconds?

All that aside, that is a scary situation to be in.
 
Loopwing said:
I see what you are saying and I agree once he is on you chomping your a$$ then you can shoot him.
BUT, have you been charged by a bear? In that video, when would you have drawn your weapon? Because up until he charged, you would have illegally shot a bear. It went from "all cool" to "oh sh!t" in a less than 2 seconds?

All that aside, that is a scary situation to be in.
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the second i have a legitimate fear for my safety or the safety of others, i'm emptying 11 hard cast plus p 255 grain 45 acps into the bear perp....and then grabbing my second magazine :)

as far as getting to the gun, i really like my 2a brand kydex chest holster

super secure but no snaps and it is right there and your backpack isn't in the way....scares people though, they don't mind you with a hip holster....but the chest holster makes them squirrely and they keep looking at your chest area....now i know how women at bars feel
 
raisins said:
and when hunting, you are doing the exact wrong thing for bear country....you are sneaking around off trail in thick stuff and trying not to make any noise.....i'm surprised i haven't had more run ins with black bears
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I know I m doing the exact wrong thing when I’m walking TO my stand and that’s why it’s the only time I’m scared. When I walk out of the woods I sound like a heard of angry elephants.
 
We have a lot of bear in Northern Wisconsin, I also have my CC. So my sidearm goes with me everywhere. I never really worry about black bear though. We have kicked them up in November during deer drives, they usually book it in the other direction pretty fast. Maybe if they had cubs it would be different, neve come across a sow with cubs. I'm more concerned with the Big kitties we have lurking around that the DNR say don't exist, even though they are on trail cams every year.

Speaking of bear attacks, have you hear the story about Todd Orr? Man got attacked by a grizzly not once but twice while out scouting! Todd went for his bear spray instead of his pistol. Here's the link, it is a crazy story.
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To carry or not to carry for bears, To shoot or not to shoot when a bear is charging, the opinion of how effective humans are at simultaneously understanding bear behavior and handling a firearm expeditiously - while under time pressure and with adrenaline pumping...

I routinely see this topic come up - I never learn anything of real value concerning human/bear interactions. But I learn a lot about the stories we tell ourselves.
 
Kyler anytime you want to talk I am available. I have 5 summers of Kodiak bear experience. Not an expert, but been false charged a few times.
Something to think about though.....
A hunting guide in Alaska will not take you bear hunting with anything less than a 300win mag. Now that is a broadside shot on a calm unassuming bear. That is NOT a pi$$ed off charging bear. 9mm and 45's are great people killers and great for scaring off a scared bear, but a mere mosquito bite on a charging bear. Think about the power these animals have. I have seen the Chevy suburban they moved feet, just from scratching their sides. If they want you dead you would be dead in a matter of seconds. If you survive a bear "attack" it wasn't really an attack. You did something wrong and got your a$$ kicked.

By all means carry what is legal and makes you feel safe, but if you actually have time to draw that gun on a charging bear, think to yourself, is he really trying to hurt/kill me or just trying to scare me. I know from experience, you DO NOT have time to draw a gun and get on target on a charging bear before he is on you.
 
At that moment I won't care about the law or whether or not it is a false charge if I feel my life is in danger. Society can go **** itself if it thinks I'm going to wait for an unpredictable killing machine to make the first move.
 
slonstdy said:
At that moment I won't care about the law or whether or not it is a false charge if I feel my life is in danger. Society can go **** itself if it thinks I'm going to wait for an unpredictable killing machine to make the first move.
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i'd apply the same logic as a person with a knife

if a person with a knife is advancing on you, then if you tell them to stop and they continue and get to within a boundary where you feel they can quickly get to you and end your life.....then most sane people view it as reasonable to end the threat

with a human, i'd guess once the person gets to within 7 to 10 yards rushing on you with a knife....a bear moves a lot faster, so i would extend (edit: with the bear seeing you and advancing purposefully in your direction)
 
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raisins said:
i'd apply the same logic as a person with a knife

if a person with a knife is advancing on you, then if you tell them to stop and they continue and get to within a boundary where you feel they can quickly get to you and end your life.....then most sane people view it as reasonable to end the threat

with a human, i'd guess once the person gets to within 7 to 10 yards rushing on you with a knife....a bear moves a lot faster, so i would extend (edit: with the bear seeing you and advancing purposefully in your direction)
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A grizzly can hit 30 MPH, that calculates out to around 40 feet a second. better hope its outside of 80 feet when you see it charging. Glad I live in black bear country where most are terrified of humans, most tuck tail and run.
 
Barry Wensel was charged by a mountain lion. The cat was in mid pounce when Barry drew and shot his recurve. He nailed it!
He had to reenact the scene for the warden to prove it was self defense.
Barry wanted the hide but they wouldn't let him keep it. But the hide was to be sent to an auction which he later attended and won the bid for that hide. Wensel boys have some crazy stories.
 
According to the hunting digest in Michigan you cannot carry a handgun during archery season unless you have a CPL. but we can open carry and hunt with them in the appropriate seasons. I usually just carry bear spray if I’m hunting areas known to have bears.


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Crcusmonky said:
According to the hunting digest in Michigan you cannot carry a handgun during archery season unless you have a CPL. but we can open carry and hunt with them in the appropriate seasons. I usually just carry bear spray if I’m hunting areas known to have bears.


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WV had a weird rule like that years ago

you could open carry a pistol most places without a permit

but you could not open carry a pistol in the woods during bow season or small game season

we became constitutional carry and they got rid of all that stuff

now, i can open or conceal carry in the woods without a permit, so long as i don't do anything illegal with the weapon and i'm not a felon
 
WISCO said:
A grizzly can hit 30 MPH, that calculates out to around 40 feet a second. better hope its outside of 80 feet when you see it charging. Glad I live in black bear country where most are terrified of humans, most tuck tail and run.
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The thing that always amazes every time I see one take off is just how fast they can accelerate. They are at full speed in two strides. I honestly believe they could out sprint a deer in the 50 yd dash. The only saving grace the deer has is it can change direction quicker.

raisins said:
i'd apply the same logic as a person with a knife

if a person with a knife is advancing on you, then if you tell them to stop and they continue and get to within a boundary where you feel they can quickly get to you and end your life.....then most sane people view it as reasonable to end the threat

with a human, i'd guess once the person gets to within 7 to 10 yards rushing on you with a knife....a bear moves a lot faster, so i would extend (edit: with the bear seeing you and advancing purposefully in your direction)
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One of the exercises my CPL instructor did for us demonstrated first hand how quick trouble can get upon you. He took two random volunteers, one as the shooter and another as a potential attacker. The shooter was lined up facing downrange with a target at 10 ft. The "attacker" was positioned about 15 yds behind the shooter facing perpendicular to the range 25 ft away. The instructions for the exercise were that on the "go" command the attacker was to run on that imaginary line 15 yds behind the shooter as fast as he could. While he wasn't running directly at the shooter it still demonstrated how long it would take him to get to the shooter. Meanwhile the shooter was to pull his weapon and fire a shot on the target downrange as quickly as possible. The test was repeated several times and without fail the attacker could easily close that distance before the shooter could even bring his pistol to bear on the target. If a guy can cover the distance that fast a bear certainly can.

The only chance you would have with the pistol is to have it in hand and ready to go before a charge occurred.
 
At the gun range in Anchorage they have this contraption that pulls a wheeled cart toward u to practice for bear charge....I don't know how far away it started...maybe 50-75 yards....but when they hook the rope to the pulley it makes that cart go real fast...even on the range knowing what all is about to happen most of the peeps I watched only got 1 shot in before that thing was on them...I don't know how fast the cart was being pulled but I don't think it was 30mph
 
BackSpasm said:
Nor even look at them
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That is not correct, Mr Spasm. It is a common misconception that we can't own handguns in Canada. We can. We just can't concealed/open carry them and cannot hunt with them, even for protection from charging bears. I have quite a collection and have shot PPC and IPSC competitively in the past here north of the border.

Just FYI. :)

As for facing a charging bear, I would prefer to have my lever action Marlin in 45-70 with 300 gr JHP's in it, safety off and one up the pipe. LOL
 
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