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What do you consider an acceptable 40yard group to feel confident on an animal.

gcr0003 said:
@Lcoop just wanted to know how accurate he should be at 40 yards for the deer woods and we are 9 pages into every tangent we can think of. Deer season get here soon!
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Thirty yards - good for me


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Ontariofarmer said:
I suppose you farm? In thirty years crop yields have doubled. Land care has improved. Soil erosion is less. Fertilizer efficiency has improved. Livestock feed conversion is 50% better. Milk production per cow has doubled The whole world would not survive without oil presently. Electric unmanned tractors will reduce oil use eventually.


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That all sounds wonderful. Chemical fertilizers and roundup and antibiotics should have no place in farming, it is not needed in diverse small scale systems. The scale itself of many agricultural operations is preventing them from doing harm. 1000 cow dairies can't graze 1000 cows,they can't spread manure of 1000 cows etc etc. I will stop here and respectfully disagree with your assessment. I understand where you are coming from as you work in the field and have to believe you are doing a good job.
 
Bowmanmike said:
That all sounds wonderful. Chemical fertilizers and roundup and antibiotics should have no place in farming, it is not needed in diverse small scale systems. The scale itself of many agricultural operations is preventing them from doing harm. 1000 cow dairies can't graze 1000 cows,they can't spread manure of 1000 cows etc etc. I will stop here and respectfully disagree with your assessment. I understand where you are coming from as you work in the field and have to believe you are doing a good job.
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There is a maximum of 500 cow dairies in Ontario. You cannot build a barn today without land available to put manure on in Ontario
Antibiotic on any farm are used to treat sick animals
No fertilizer was tried in Ghana and Sri Lanka. The result was civil unrest due to food shortages.
And that was on small farms.


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Ontariofarmer said:
There is a maximum of 500 cow dairies in Ontario. You cannot build a barn today without land available to put manure on in Ontario
Antibiotic on any farm are used to treat sick animals
No fertilizer was tried in Ghana and Sri Lanka. The result was civil unrest due to food shortages.
And that was on small farms.


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Ontario is doing pretty good then. There is a farm in the finger lakes region here in NY that doesn't use any artificial fertilizers or sprays and they do very well. The Martens farm,they grow grains and soybeans amongst other things I think they cultivate well over 1000 acres.
Just because it didn't work in Sri Lanka and Ghana doesn't mean it can't be done.
Monsanto and cohorts don't want it to work.
 
Ontariofarmer said:
Antibiotic on any farm are used to treat sick animals
No fertilizer was tried in Ghana and Sri Lanka. The result was civil unrest due to food shortages.
And that was on small farms.


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I have no problem with the usage of antibiotics. I have a problem with raising cows in conditions that are so bad they're given preemptive antibiotics. Stuff like that encourages microbes to evolve resistance to said antibiotics. Couple that with close human contact and you get diseases crossing species, which we should all by now be wary of. If that's not an issue in Canada, more power to yall. Seriously. Good job and thank you sincerely.

I have no problem with fertilizer in general. Excess application of petroleum-based synthesized nitrogen? Kinda worrisome. Runoff pollutes the water system, makes acid rain, kills fish...etc

Sri Lanka at least had other issues than farming. Riots and coups coupled with COVID decimated their tourism economy. They reduced taxes which left them broke. Then, for some reason I haven't seen explained, they banned nitrogen practically overnight. I definitely don't want to immediately ban something that let us go from 2 billion to 8 billion people in 100 years. Logic stands that the population may drop just a teensy bit if we pull that rug out from under our feet. Doesn't mean we can't change things, because we've been doing that.
 
Bowmanmike said:
Ontario is doing pretty good then. There is a farm in the finger lakes region here in NY that doesn't use any artificial fertilizers or sprays and they do very well. The Martens farm,they grow grains and soybeans amongst other things I think they cultivate well over 1000 acres.
Just because it didn't work in Sri Lanka and Ghana doesn't mean it can't be done.
Monsanto and cohorts don't want it to work.
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Gabe Browns operation over in one of the Dakota's, I forget which, is freaking mind blowing impressive. Takes a good bit of time to convert from the more commonly seen production model here to a system like he is running but we could improve so many issues if were pushed more vigorously.
 
Thirty yards shot. Forty yard group of 4 inches diameter.


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I'm just impressed by people that farm, I know nothing about it, I tried to start a garden this year, 4 4x8 raised beds with fancy topsoil/compost... Strawberries grew well, watermelon plants seem to be taking over their area, everything else was a fail, salad greens, beans,peas, pepper, cukes, tomatoes, beets, squash, I tried em all and failed at every one. Pretty surei made like every mistake, started seeds too late, transplanted too small, the heat and the local critters bested me, Better luck in the fall or next year hopefully.
 
There's actually quite a few things you can grow in fall, I wouldn't quit yet!
 
Nutterbuster said:
I have no problem with the usage of antibiotics. I have a problem with raising cows in conditions that are so bad they're given preemptive antibiotics. Stuff like that encourages microbes to evolve resistance to said antibiotics. Couple that with close human contact and you get diseases crossing species, which we should all by now be wary of. If that's not an issue in Canada, more power to yall. Seriously. Good job and thank you sincerely.

I have no problem with fertilizer in general. Excess application of petroleum-based synthesized nitrogen? Kinda worrisome. Runoff pollutes the water system, makes acid rain, kills fish...etc

Sri Lanka at least had other issues than farming. Riots and coups coupled with COVID decimated their tourism economy. They reduced taxes which left them broke. Then, for some reason I haven't seen explained, they banned nitrogen practically overnight. I definitely don't want to immediately ban something that let us go from 2 billion to 8 billion people in 100 years. Logic stands that the population may drop just a teensy bit if we pull that rug out from under our feet. Doesn't mean we can't change things, because we've been doing that.
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Tucker Carlson and JP Sears also spoke about it. The WEF and world bank forced this upon Sri Lanka
Sorry for this off topic post again

As a farmer it really is amazing how everyone is an expert in a business I have practiced for 38 years.
It is like a novice hunter telling Nutterbuster how to hunt based on google

I am not an expert hunter. Just an average hunter. But I am an expert farmer

I am really sorry for the side tracked post. This is my last post on this thread
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Well to get the best 40 yard group. You must first lay down the hoe ( garden variety) pick a bow and shoot at 40 yards. By pulling back a string and put the bright dot on a target. Then let it go. Foam doesn’t have feelings or die slowly. :sunglasses::p Sorry I couldn’t help it.
 
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