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What do you consider an acceptable 40yard group to feel confident on an animal.

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raisins said:
this would make a neat study

you could play the sound of a bow going off from a tree stand and then record the deer and then compare this to actual shots....if the sound of the bow by itself doesn't make them duck, then it tends to confirm the arrow noise idea
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It’s been done, The head up vs. down part at least. Dr. Grant Woods has a pretty in depth video with lots of footage on YouTube. His Growing Deer crew won’t shoot at a deer with its head down.

I’m not sure how much you could confirm in a study with bow noise vs. arrow noise. It would be interesting but too many factors involved in my opinion.

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weekender21 said:
It been done, The head up vs. down part at least. Dr. Grant Woods has a pretty in depth video with lots of footage on YouTube. His Growing Deer crew won’t shoot at a deer with its head down.

I’m not sure how much you could confirm in a study with bow noise vs. arrow noise. It would be interesting but too many factors involved in my opinion.

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I wasn't worried about head up or down for this question.

Video deer actually being shot at. Video deer being "fake" shot at by playing the sound of a bow going off from the same spot, but no arrow is released. If the deer react the same, then it is the bow. If they do not react as strongly to the "fake" shot, then arrow noise plays a role.
 
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raisins said:
I wasn't worried about head up or down for this question.

Video deer actually being shot at. Video deer being "fake" shot at by playing the sound of a bow going off from the same spot, but no arrow is released. If the deer react the same, then it is the bow. If they do not react as strongly to the "fake" shot, then arrow noise plays a role.
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just shoot an arrow in opposite direction.
 
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raisins said:
I wasn't worried about head up or down for this question.

Video deer actually being shot at. Video deer being "fake" shot at by playing the sound of a bow going off from the same spot, but no arrow is released. If the deer react the same, then it is the bow. If they do not react as strongly to the "fake" shot, then arrow noise plays a role.
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I’m convinced the arrow plays some role, but what’s the end game? I’ve tested a bunch of vanes against each other and even the ones marketed as being quiet are not really quiet.


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This is off topic but so is the above comment. As a farmer, I cannot say I agree with everything said here. Although I usually agree with Nutterbuster. He is an expert hunter but not a farming expert.
We can feed more than 8 billion people in a sustainable way. I could go on for hours. As far as livestock and the disproportionate comment. The WEF would have you eating crickets. Most of the western part of North America is pasture maintained in a responsible way supporting thousands of tasty rib eyes
Things can be improved and are being improved in agriculture but if the government interferes like they did in Sri Lanka or Ghana we will have food inflation, starvation and civil unrest
Nutterbusters comments are annoying enough that I had to respond.
I totally agree with what he said about what distance to shoot an arrow. He certainly is an expert hunter.
I think most Dutch farmers would agree and Canadian and American farmers that if the governments of the world control how we produce food we will all starve. Just ask a former member of a collective farm in the former Soviet Union how that worked out


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I totally disagree with your post,there is no way you can use the word sustainable and modern agriculture in one sentence. Take away oil and there is no modern farming.
I do agree that there is enough food to feed the world,it is a distribution problem. But by producing it the way we do we are not doing anybody any favors.
 
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DMTJAGER said:
For me personally and I feel this is a very good ethical standard it's what ever maximum range I can put 9/10 FBBH broadhead tipped arrows into a 6" circle EVERY practice session shooting from as many different awkward shooting positions as I can reproduce shooting from a elevated stand
I only shoot FBBH's and only time I shoot FP's is during a 3-D shoot.
For me that range is 45 yards but so as to err on the side of caution I shorten that range to 40 yards IF conditions are perfect as the conditions and situation at the time of the shot dictate if I will take the shot or not.
In 33 years of bowhunting and over 50 deer I've taken exactly four shots over 35 yards and only one over 40 a doe at 43 yards complete pass through
At the impact she jumped slightly walked a few feet went back to eating acorns her rear feet gave out then her front and she fell over and that was it.
Was using 125grn NAP TH's. Bow was set at 68lb draw arrows were IIRC AL XX78 2314's. Total arrow weight was IIRC 450ish grains but I could be wrong on that
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What is a FBBH?
 
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raisins said:
i think he means what i said about very few of us hitting a softball everytime

it was just an opinion

like i said, shooting softball sized groups every time is much easier than hitting a softball every time because the former gets rid of between day and between round variation and only looks at within round variation
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As I said, I don't follow pro-archery.

Is there anything like saddle 3d with moving and popup targets?

It'd be interesting to see how the quality of shooting (from same archers) would compare to flat ground tournament shoots, especially from small platforms.
 
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@DMTJAGER if you only shoot FBBHs what target would you recommend? Do you dull your FBBH that you use for target shooting?
 
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weekender21 said:
That study could be titled:

“How to have more fun on stand”

Or

“How to educate the deer in your neighborhood”

I have to admit, it would be entertaining.


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hahaha Yea ive only done it in areas where there is no hunting. Dont recommend doing it at deer you plan on eating eventually. next time your walking in the woods in an area YOU DONT HUNT let one see you first if your close within bow range and clap as loud as you can. A clap is louder than most bows.
 
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gcr0003 said:
I’m not good with acronyms, figured it was broadhead something.
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Me neither. I was pretty proud of myself on that one. I have no idea what people are texting me half the time.
 
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Bowmanmike said:
I totally disagree with your post,there is no way you can use the word sustainable and modern agriculture in one sentence. Take away oil and there is no modern farming.
I do agree that there is enough food to feed the world,it is a distribution problem. But by producing it the way we do we are not doing anybody any favors.
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I suppose you farm? In thirty years crop yields have doubled. Land care has improved. Soil erosion is less. Fertilizer efficiency has improved. Livestock feed conversion is 50% better. Milk production per cow has doubled The whole world would not survive without oil presently. Electric unmanned tractors will reduce oil use eventually.


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Ontariofarmer said:
I suppose you farm? In thirty years crop yields have doubled. Land care has improved. Soil erosion is less. Fertilizer efficiency has improved. Livestock feed conversion is 50% better. Milk production per cow has doubled The whole world would not survive without oil presently. Electric unmanned tractors will reduce oil use eventually.


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Sounds as though you are row crop farming and running livestock. Pair that with no-till and cover crops and you can build a very sustainable, efficient and profitable operation. That is not what production farming looks like down here. At all.
 
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BTaylor said:
Sounds as though you are row crop farming and running livestock. Pair that with no-till and cover crops and you can build a very sustainable, efficient and profitable operation. That is not what production farming looks like down here. At all.
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Exactly. No till and zone till and cover crops and manure and split nitrogen applications after an N soil test. Crop rotation
This is very very common in Ontario.
No till and cover crops make a lot of year round feed for wild life. Wheat in a rotation does the same thing too.
Oh and we feed a lot of deer and turkeys who snack for free which we try to shoot at thirty yards or less
I shot this trespassing crop thief at 30 yards this spring

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