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What don’t you like most about the JX3 Hybrid?

I don’t use the hybrid mostly because

  • Too heavy

    Votes: 6 13.0%

  • Too many straps and ropes and such

    Votes: 6 13.0%

  • Too bulky carrying in

    Votes: 13 28.3%

  • Restricts movement too much in tree

    Votes: 7 15.2%

  • Restricts shooting too much

    Votes: 1 2.2%

  • Too difficult to pee

    Votes: 2 4.3%

  • Too expensive

    Votes: 7 15.2%

  • Adjustments too fiddly

    Votes: 1 2.2%

  • Not 'Merican

    Votes: 1 2.2%

  • I don't sit down when I hunt

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Total voters
    46
neonomad said:
Rhetorical comment here - aging obese fellas climbing up with a climber, a ladder stand or fixed ladder to a hang on makes sense to me, but en masse packing mobile sticks in and climbing safely up to where they set up their JX3 is harder to imagine. Given the effort required I’ve got to think they lean slightly toward the fitter in the larger demographic but maybe I’m not giving everybody enough credit. I wouldn’t hand this setup to my uncle and say have at it.
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64 years old. Bad knees. Not obese.
I one stick with a JX3.
The obese at any age might have issues

A climber is hard to carry and noisy and things can slip.

Presets with a JX 3 are no harder than a ladder stand.


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2Sloe said:
Yes, I read a post some time ago and the poster (I think it was nutterbuster) argued that consistency of materials was the key to comfort. Saddle straps are hard, mesh is soft and stretchy and that creates discomfort. I’ve seen complementary arguments that solid panel saddles are more comfortable than mesh saddles due to that issue. Made a lot of sense to me. Obviously some feel the coolness of mesh is a acceptable trade off in comfort over a sweaty solid panel saddle. By the same token, the ESS offers constant support and coolness, but it would seem from users comments that it is not very user friendly and comes with a significant learning curve. The JX3 would seem to offer consistent support across the bottom and is no doubt key to it’s comfort.
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It's not just consistency, imo. I can sleep on the hardwood floor or the Tempur-pedic.
 
One more Pro for the JX3 Hybrid over the soft saddles is versatility. It's far more versatile than any soft saddle.
 
Ontariofarmer said:
64 years old. Bad knees. Not obese.
I one stick with a JX3.
The obese at any age might have issues

A climber is hard to carry and noisy and things can slip.

Presets with a JX 3 are no harder than a ladder stand.

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Man we're covering ground now.

I spent years hunting from a LW Sit and Climb and...it was never noisy. Things didn't slip. It was as light as some people's JX3 setups. It had a huge platform to manuever for archery shots. My knees never touched the tree. It was easy to climb with. It was comfortable enough to sleep in. I could stand, with my back to the tree. Peeing wasn't even a concern....

You had to set it right not to have some pinch under the legs, it could sway on your back causing a fall when solely using the included shoulder straps, passing branches was risky, it weighed more than some people's JX3 setups, reportedly some cables broke.

It's a fun game of this or that.
 
LAKY said:
One more Pro for the JX3 Hybrid over the soft saddles is versatility. It's far more versatile than any soft saddle.
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It can sandwich some gear, and you can sit on it in Turkey Chair mode...but it's 13lbs.
 
2Sloe said:
You must be former military lol. I can sleep anywhere, any time.
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lol. My thought was I'd prefer the consistency of a Tempur-pedic over the hardwood floor.

But you may be on to something...or maybe it's that I have a tough yet very lovely wife and the dogs have taken over the couch, lol.
 
Plebe said:
It can sandwich some gear, and you can sit on it in Turkey Chair mode...but it's 13lbs.
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and pack out deer and negate the need for knee pads. No soft saddle can do any of that. You have to add too much stuff to a soft saddle setup to equal the capabilities of the JX3 hybrid.
 
LAKY said:
and pack out deer and negate the need for knee pads. No soft saddle can do any of that. You have to add too much stuff to a soft saddle setup to equal the capabilities of the JX3 hybrid.
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ok. but @phatkaw uses his soft saddle very efficiently as a deer drag, so there's that.

but really, I can't see myself packing my gear and a deer out with the JX3. I've seen where some have. But I think the frame pack and soft saddle combo is far superior there. And much lighter. Even with knee pads.
 
kyler1945 said:
Knees to trees - also an uncomfortable distribution of force...due to gravity...
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I mean, this is a huge selling point.

One could argue, 13lbs stock on shoulders is heading towards an uncomfortable distribution of force too....

But they nicely padded ;)
 
Plebe said:
ok. but @phatkaw uses his soft saddle very efficiently as a deer drag, so there's that.

but really, I can't see myself packing my gear and a deer out with the JX3. I've seen where some have. But I think the frame pack and soft saddle combo is far superior there. And much lighter. Even with knee pads.
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But, then you have to add some type of ground seat and preacher's seat to match the versatility. Then, the weight and bulk is more than negated. With the hybrid I will be able to pick up my weapon and gear and head out to whatever hunting situation there is. No swapping equipment around or going back to the truck. I have everything I want or need right there. I can adapt on the fly.
 
LAKY said:
But, then you have to add some type of ground seat and preacher's seat to match the versatility. Then, the weight and bulk is more than negated. With the hybrid I will be able to pick up my weapon and gear and head out to whatever hunting situation there is. No swapping equipment around or going back to the truck. I have everything I want or need right there. I can adapt on the fly.
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I'm glad it works for you. That's not versatility I need.

But I'm your Huckleberry.

Ground seat and knee pad:

Z Seat™ Ultralight Foam Seat Pad | Therm-a-Rest®

Durable, superlight closed-cell camping seat.
www.thermarest.com www.thermarest.com

No back support...ok...

Trekker Chair Kit - Folding Seat Kit | Therm-a-Rest®

Lightweight kit to turn your mattress into a chair.
www.thermarest.com www.thermarest.com

lol. Just add air. Or not...


Seriously though, I deer hunt with the JX3 and I don't see myself shooting my bow from it in Turkey Chair mode. It's too low. Really, there's a bunch of ultralight packable solutions to a ground scenario.

Now, it's a nifty Turkey hunting pack on it's own. But for deer, I'd just assume pack something else.
 
Plebe said:
I'm glad it works for you. That's not versatility I need.

But I'm your Huckleberry.

Ground seat and knee pad:

Z Seat™ Ultralight Foam Seat Pad | Therm-a-Rest®

Durable, superlight closed-cell camping seat.
www.thermarest.com www.thermarest.com

No back support...ok...

Trekker Chair Kit - Folding Seat Kit | Therm-a-Rest®

Lightweight kit to turn your mattress into a chair.
www.thermarest.com www.thermarest.com

lol. Just add air. Or not...


Seriously though, I deer hunt with the JX3 and I don't see myself shooting my bow from it in Turkey Chair mode. It's too low. Really, there's a bunch of ultralight packable solutions to a ground scenario.

Now, it's a nifty Turkey hunting pack on it's own. But for deer, I'd just assume pack something else.
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I just don't think all that inflatable stuff will do very well in the thicket. I wanted something made to order, modular that fits all my deer and turkey hunting scenarios in one package. I don't want to fool with platforms, knee pads, gear hangers, etc. that you do with soft saddles. And, I want to do all that in absolute comfort.
 
LAKY said:
I just don't think all that inflatable stuff will do very well in the thicket. I wanted something made to order, modular that fits all my deer and turkey hunting scenarios in one package. I don't want to fool with platforms, knee pads, gear hangers, etc. that you do with soft saddles. And, I want to do all that in absolute comfort.
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Rock on brother. You've found your gem. The search is over.

I'm gonna keep trying stuff.
 
2Sloe said:
The JX3 may be a totally separate path than saddle hunting in your mind, but commenters were clearly making JX3/saddle comparisons so I’m not sure that is a common view. It is called a “hybrid”. Hybrid of what two things? You made a pretty extensive argument on comfort, although I had already freely admitted that comfort was it’s Pro and that it was more comfortable than my XC. I just didn’t see anyone offer any other significant Pro other than comfort and I think that’s factual statement.

Yep, that’s the point I was making and I even stated that for many, that might be all they are looking for. Comfort is high on my list for sure, but I prefer a more balanced solution rather than one that sacrifices in numerous areas all for the sake of one. That was my opinion, which was designed to provoke thought not vitriol.
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No vitriol here. I'm just stating what i know about one, and why i use one. If I could be comfortable in a soft saddle for all day sits I would do it.
 
Plebe said:
I'm glad it works for you. That's not versatility I need.

But I'm your Huckleberry.

Ground seat and knee pad:

Z Seat™ Ultralight Foam Seat Pad | Therm-a-Rest®

Durable, superlight closed-cell camping seat.
www.thermarest.com www.thermarest.com

No back support...ok...

Trekker Chair Kit - Folding Seat Kit | Therm-a-Rest®

Lightweight kit to turn your mattress into a chair.
www.thermarest.com www.thermarest.com

lol. Just add air. Or not...


Seriously though, I deer hunt with the JX3 and I don't see myself shooting my bow from it in Turkey Chair mode. It's too low. Really, there's a bunch of ultralight packable solutions to a ground scenario.

Now, it's a nifty Turkey hunting pack on it's own. But for deer, I'd just assume pack something else.
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Bow hunting on the ground with the JX3 is not a selling point for sure. Now gun hunting yes.
 
CooterBrown said:
Bow hunting on the ground with the JX3 is not a selling point for sure. Now gun hunting yes.
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Honestly, its too low for where I hunt rifle
Most of the time. Overlooking ravines and some fields depending on grade is fine, when i clild just be sittimg on my pack or foam pad, but even the 18" of a nif-t-seat is 100% better the majority ofthe time.
 
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