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Who Did Not Snort the Fairy Dust? And Why?

rhagenw said:
both will preach it’s not the arrow or the bow that deadly...it’s the archer
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I second that!
DroptineKrazy said:
I'd be willing to bet Michael Waddell has a better bow tuning guy than you but I do agree penetration(good shot or bad) is determined by many different factors one of the most important being a well tuned bow.
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And I'll add that someone else cannot tune your bow without you. The bow has to be tuned to the guy that's going to be doing the shooting
 
Nutterbuster said:
Would you rather get hit by a 135 grain core lokt or a 180? Both will kill you. Kinda like arrows. :)
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Not sure what that's got to do with the discussion but, if you were hunting brown bear which would you feel more comfortable using, 135 gr. or a 180gr? A fool might use a 135 gr. but based on the size of the game, a wiser choice would be the 180 gr. Why? More kinetic energy and more penetration I suppose.
 
Aaronpaul14 said:
So many discussions and threads about building heavy arrows etc. I am more curious now for the folks that looked at it and has decided to stick with their so called "twizzlers?"

I do not need to hear from RF or Ashby followers that are shooting 550+ and believe its the only way to go to ethically kill a deer. I believe it is a very viable option and a good one at that. Just haven't seen many threads from the other side of the fence on the subject.

I have been researching and looking into it but I've already spent A LOT on hunting stuff this year and do not want to dive into another rabbit hole.

Lets here from the speed arrow fans and if there are none, please pray for me so my wife doesn't kill me when I spend more money!
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What I would like to know is what is Dr. Ashby a doctor of? I keep seeing Dr. Dr. Dr. but of what? What doctorate translates to killing deer? Why is every source that mentions ranch fairy or Dr.Ashby attempting to sell their products? Whether it's partnered arrows or broadheads, or kits to test your arrows and all this BS?

You should shoot an arrow minimum of 550 grains, this is for kinetic energy. You should have FOC higher than 15% as this aids in arrow flight. Both of these ideas were present before Ranch Fairy or "Dr. Ashby". These ideas were present for target archery to aid in arrow flight.

Interestingly enough every time I try and find data to reinforce using a single bevel or fixed blade I find information stating mechanicals result in higher kill/ recovery rate.

" In the publication “A Comparative Study on the Effectiveness or Fixed Blade and Mechanical Broadheads” results revealed an 82% recovery rate with bow hunters using fixed blade broadheads, while mechanical broadhead users had a 90.9% recovery rate. "

This was cited by a broadhead company that does over 75% of its business in fixed-blade broadheads.

Bottom line- Shoot whatever you're most comfortable with. If you experience problems, attempt different methods. If it's working, don't' change because people on the internet want to sell you their product.
 
Gator said:
I second that!

And I'll add that someone else cannot tune your bow without you. The bow has to be tuned to the guy that's going to be doing the shooting
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Not really true. All 3 techs in my shop could shoot the same tuned bow and tear bullets. And most of our customers could shoot bullets after we tuned a bow. The ones who didn't torqued the bow.

I had people complain about me tuning the bow and saying they wanted to be the ones shooting through paper. If I have time, and you're not a richard, and you can shoot, no objection at all. But some of them I had to stand behind them and take a picture of their string coming off the cam at an angle so bad it's a miracle it didn't derail.

"But that's how I grip the bow!" Fine. Go tune it yourself since you know everything.
 
stone1 said:
What I would like to know is what is Dr. Ashby a doctor of? I keep seeing Dr. Dr. Dr. but of what? What doctorate translates to killing deer? Why is every source that mentions ranch fairy or Dr.Ashby attempting to sell their products? Whether it's partnered arrows or broadheads, or kits to test your arrows and all this BS?

You should shoot an arrow minimum of 550 grains, this is for kinetic energy. You should have FOC higher than 15% as this aids in arrow flight. Both of these ideas were present before Ranch Fairy or "Dr. Ashby". These ideas were present for target archery to aid in arrow flight.

Interestingly enough every time I try and find data to reinforce using a single bevel or fixed blade I find information stating mechanicals result in higher kill/ recovery rate.

" In the publication “A Comparative Study on the Effectiveness or Fixed Blade and Mechanical Broadheads” results revealed an 82% recovery rate with bow hunters using fixed blade broadheads, while mechanical broadhead users had a 90.9% recovery rate. "

This was cited by a broadhead company that does over 75% of its business in fixed-blade broadheads.

Bottom line- Shoot whatever you're most comfortable with. If you experience problems, attempt different methods. If it's working, don't' change because people on the internet want to sell you their product.
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Ashby was an eye doctor, he just also happened to be a bowhunter and was asked by the conservation service of Zambia (if I remember right) to help them see if they wanted to allow bowhunting of big game. He moved to Africa after he retired, had to leave when the politics went to hell, and subsequently moved to Australia. There he had the chance to take part in the culling of 200 or so cape and water buffallo a year. He was not and is not paid by Grizzlystik for his name being on one of their heads. He might get money for the talks he gave. He really has no skin in the game, and has modified his outlook over time as new data emerged or new products were developed.
 
Nutterbuster said:
That was not a good angle. Not sure what arrow/broadhead he was using, or if a different one would have changed that outcome. The ribs were basically all stacked, and it glanced off.

Might could have got a better shot opportunity if the deer wasn't friggin looking at him the whole time.
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Maybe a folded Rage could have had the point penetrate between the ribs.
 
Nutterbuster said:
Not really true. All 3 techs in my shop could shoot the same tuned bow and tear bullets. And most of our customers could shoot bullets after we tuned a bow. The ones who didn't torqued the bow.

I had people complain about me tuning the bow and saying they wanted to be the ones shooting through paper. If I have time, and you're not a richard, and you can shoot, no objection at all. But some of them I had to stand behind them and take a picture of their string coming off the cam at an angle so bad it's a miracle it didn't derail.

"But that's how I grip the bow!" Fine. Go tune it yourself since you know everything.
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LOL, Don't you just love that. Grip the bow, well there's your problem.
 
My hunting setup this past year was a 412 grain arrow tipped with a 100 grain rage (old model). It shot 295 fps and had 79 for KE. It was properly tuned and worked well on the deer I shot.

My 488 grain arrow setup shot 277 and gave me 83 for my KE. This setup was also properly tuned at the time I shot it.

An 550 grain setup would give me an estimated speed of 256 and 79 for KE. At some point the KE comes back down.

Ultimately, from Grant Woods' research we need to keep our shots under 30 yards. The deer can still drop and move when they hear the arrow. He also recommended shooting deer when their heads are up as it shows down their reaction. It was a good video and was referenced here I think last year.

Having stated all this, I'll switch my setup to a higher weight for my elk hunt next year and use it for deer as well. I'll also switch to COC heads.

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KE is only part of the story, momentum is the other probably more important issue for penetration. DIY sportsman tested with his rig and never got to a weight that reversed the momentum. One of the hosts of The lethal podcast shoots arrows over 1000 grains for everything.
 
IvanGrozny said:
KE is only part of the story, momentum is the other probably more important issue for penetration. DIY sportsman tested with his rig and never got to a weight that reversed the momentum. One of the hosts of The lethal podcast shoots arrows over 1000 grains for everything.
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I was going to say the exact same think. His podcast + video I found very informative and well constructed (like everything he does).
 
Why shoot a deer with a 300mag when a 22 can kill it? Cause I can and you can’t have to much capability
 
I find ranch fairy to be entertaining and informative.....I found him when his channel first started and his videos have helped me. Is he annoying or not is personal preference.....

I kinda wish he was still unknown.....I'm annoyed with reading about him all the time.
Read all available info and form your own opinion, build your stuff the way u want, and dont try to push your personal choice on others....if someone asks then I will try to help them with just the stuff I've personally done and witnessed and had success with. I think too many people pretend to be experts....honesty goes a long way...dont pretend to know if u haven't done it yourself...
 
I tried the ranch fairy test kit. It made a lot of sense to me. So I went through the process, shot all the combinations, and I went right back to my setup I had. The Gold Tip kinetic Pierce 300 spine with a 125gr head on it. It works
 
Homebrew454 said:
My hunting setup this past year was a 412 grain arrow tipped with a 100 grain rage (old model). It shot 295 fps and had 79 for KE. It was properly tuned and worked well on the deer I shot.

My 488 grain arrow setup shot 277 and gave me 83 for my KE. This setup was also properly tuned at the time I shot it.

An 550 grain setup would give me an estimated speed of 256 and 79 for KE. At some point the KE comes back down.

Ultimately, from Grant Woods' research we need to keep our shots under 30 yards. The deer can still drop and move when they hear the arrow. He also recommended shooting deer when their heads are up as it shows down their reaction. It was a good video and was referenced here I think last year.

Having stated all this, I'll switch my setup to a higher weight for my elk hunt next year and use it for deer as well. I'll also switch to COC heads.

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Update....
Momentum
412=.53
488=.59
550=.62

There is a 16% increase in momentum from 412 grains to 550 grains. I understand the importance of momentum but I think the importance of limiting our shot distance is just as important.

I also believe thinner diameter arrows are very important as well. Since I switched to Axis arrows, my penetration had drastically improved. I may go thinner with my current arrows but I will never go thicker.



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