Who has snorted the Fairy Dust?

[Lowg08]

Often an extra 5-7 inches of drop easy over just 5 yards with those heavy arrows compared to standard hunting weight arrows. 5 yards off is all it takes. That completely unnecessary extra bit of bone crushing power doesn't matter much at all when the arrow only hits hair before it hits the dirt. Nothing obscure at all about the math...people are just suckers for good marketing.

I will admit. The bows are very quiet shooting th heavier arrow but I prefer faster arrows. Some people do like it. I figure your money your time go for it.

 

[woodsdog2]

I don’t think the heavy arrow trend is about marketing hype at all. What you are seeing are products being developed based on a demand that wasn’t there before. I think many of us long time bowhunters who have lived through the entire spectrum (remember overdraws) of arrow speeds, materials, weights and the evolution of Broadheads themselves experience a lot of utility and value in a durable broadhead setup that you can sharpen over and over again. There’s just something more intrinsically rewarding about getting ready for bow season by sharpening my knife and my Broadheads and stopping out an edge that I can shave hair with. I didn’t do anything fancy I used a 12” mil bastard file from the hardware store, cut up an old leather belt and about 50 to 150 passes on each of the three sides after running it on the file about 9-12 times for each side (I use a 3 blade VAP 150gr. head) and it’s awesome watching the mirror edge develop. I don’t know how to explain that process is just so much more rewarding to me as a bowhunter. A pack of three of three of these broadheads is around $48 and a file is probably $12-$15 bucks. An old leather belt is free!!

 

[DroptineKrazy]

I sniffed and sneezed. I went with hexx 250 spine 250gr cutthroat 100gr insert 30.5 inch arrow and draw 55lbs. 656gr Went through the whole tuning thing. Just not a fan. I went back to a lighter faster arrow. Much happier now. Just to much fall off for me over distance. Cost me a deer this year. Batteries were weak in my range finder was off five yards missed low. My set up now. It wouldn’t have mattered. 60lbs draw Easton sonic 6.0 340 spine 30.5 draw and arrow length low profile four fletch 16 gr insert 100 gr exodus. 372 total weight it’s screaming. Now all I have to do is make sure my furthest shot is past around 32 and put the pin on and let it go. Pin set at 25. Now if you want heavy arrows and like them and have good success with them. Then shoot them. Just not for me. It’s like your drawers. It’s up to ya.

Your arrow set up didn't cost you that deer your rangefinder did. Actually it was your fault for not replacing the battery when it needed one. Excuses. Excuses . Excuses. How far was that deer because my heavy arrow drops about 2" inches from 20 yards to 30 yards and I can still hit a deer's vitals at 40 if I choose to shoot at one that far.

 

[DroptineKrazy]

Also, If anybody's a sucker for marketing then it's the ''my arrows have to be faster so the deer don't duck it crowd". I've been shooting heavy arrows for 44 years.

 

[Lowg08]

Your arrow set up didn't cost you that deer your rangefinder did. Actually it was your fault for not replacing the battery when it needed one. Excuses. Excuses . Excuses. How far was that deer because my heavy arrow drops about 2" inches from 20 yards to 30 yards and I can still hit a deer's vitals at 40 if I choose to shoot at one that far.

Lol well I was shooting for 30 and he was 35. Yes I should have changed the batteries. Sadly I went home and shot to determine what happen. It was dropping 10” at 35 with the 30 pin. So I don’t know what to say. Just was my experience

 

[Weldabeast]

Hypothetical question..... Obviously we don't want to miss our mark but if u are gonna miss would u rather miss over the back or under the belly?.... Personally I'd rather miss low.... Chances of the deer dropping and getting into the arrows path seems to be greater than a deer jumping up into the arrows path.

 

[NMSbowhunter]

I was in an archery shop last weekend and I looked through the arrow selections. There were various brands but of the hundreds of shafts available all were 400 spine. There were lots of pretty colors to choose from, not any spine selection. I got to thinking. If Joe walks in on Monday and buys flagship bow XYZ at 70 pounds draw weight with 30 inch draw length and a dozen arrows and a dozen 100 grain broadheads that's his setup. Tuesday Jim and his wife walk in and Jim buys flagship bow XYZ ay 60 pounds draw weight and a 28 inch draw weight and a dozen arrows and a dozen 100 grain broadheads that is his setup. Jim's wife also hunts and she chooses ABC flagship bow and gets 45 pounds at 25 inch draw. She gets a dozen arrows and a dozen 100 grain broadheads. All these arrows are 400 spine and were cut and glued up by the 19 year old part time college student who is waiting for 5 o'clock so he can go meet his girlfriend. Are all these perfectly dialed in to drill perfect bullet holes out to as far as the eye can see? I would dare say this is how at least 90% of archery equipment is bought and set up.

To me, the mass marketing is geared to speed. How do you convince someone the bow they shot last year is woefully inadequate? Tell them it shoots too slow. Give them something shiny. new, and "super fast" they can whip out and brag about to their buddies at deer camp. Speed is sexy and sexy sells.

 

[NMSbowhunter]

Hypothetical question..... Obviously we don't want to miss our mark but if u are gonna miss would u rather miss over the back or under the belly?.... Personally I'd rather miss low.... Chances of the deer dropping and getting into the arrows path seems to be greater than a deer jumping up into the arrows path.

I'd rather miss low also (and do, lol). Yeah, I've never had one jump up in the air.

 

[Lowg08]

Also, If anybody's a sucker for marketing then it's the ''my arrows have to be faster so the deer don't duck it crowd". I've been shooting heavy arrows for 44 years.

Oh I did mean to respond. I am not in the string jumping camp. I just like to have a variety of possible yardages with one pin. Just simplifying for me.

 

[Lowg08]

I think I’m pretty lucky. My bow shop keeps several spine options for several disciplines. They are there to sell you what you need or want not what is trending. I have friends who like heavy and some like moderate with best of both worlds and some fast. Arrow weight to me is what achieves the individual’s desired outcome. I like simplifying all my set ups. I want to be able to put the pin on and let it rip. Just me.

 

[Lowg08]

I'd rather miss low also (and do, lol). Yeah, I've never had one jump up in the air.

I’ve always missed low. Never shot over one’s back YET.

 

[GeoFish]

I am not saying I am any kind of expert.
I purchased my first compound bow in 83. I lived through the beginning of the fast arrow crase. Bows went from wheels to cams. Overdraws came out so you could have a liighter arrow. I never jumped on that wagon. In 91 I switched to a recurve. I never paid much attention to FOC, but I always shot 10 grains per Lb. or more.
This arrow is from a bad shot I made on a buck. The arrow is a 2219 at 600 grains about 155 FPS. The bow is a Black Widow at 54 Lbs. The arrow hit the far side hip bone. Notice how the shaft is bent from the impact.

 

[Lowg08]

I would be thankful for that heavy arrow then too lol

 

[NMSbowhunter]

I am not saying I am any kind of expert.
I purchased my first compound bow in 83. I lived through the beginning of the fast arrow crase. Bows went from wheels to cams. Overdraws came out so you could have a liighter arrow. I never jumped on that wagon. In 91 I switched to a recurve. I never paid much attention to FOC, but I always shot 10 grains per Lb. or more.
This arrow is from a bad shot I made on a buck. The arrow is a 2219 at 600 grains about 155 FPS. The bow is a Black Widow at 54 Lbs. The arrow hit the far side hip bone. Notice how the shaft is bent from the impact.

Very nice buck! Congratulations. Ten to 12 grains per inch is what I have always heard for trad bows and I think it's not a bad place to be with compounds. Given this formula, a 60 pound compound's "normal" arrow would fall in the 600 to 720 range.

 

[NMSbowhunter]

Pictured below is a small doe from my day's before adopting heavier arrows and cut on contact single bevels. Shot was behind the last rib quartering forward. I did not get an exit. This doe is about 90 pounds. It took off like I hit it in the butt with a boat paddle and made it 120 yards into a pine thicket. That was a fun tracking job with very little blood to work with. That arrow was about 385 grains, give or take. Shot was 18 yards. I pulled that arrow out and laid it across the doe for the picture.

 

[DroptineKrazy]

Pictured below is a small doe from my day's before adopting heavier arrows and cut on contact single bevels. Shot was behind the last rib quartering forward. I did not get an exit. This doe is about 90 pounds. It took off like I hit it in the butt with a boat paddle and made it 120 yards into a pine thicket. That was a fun tracking job with very little blood to work with. That arrow was about 385 grains, give or take. Shot was 18 yards. I pulled that arrow out and laid it across the doe for the picture.

Is that an expandable I see on the end of that shaft?

 

[NMSbowhunter]

Is that an expandable I see on the end of that shaft?

Yes, from my light fast arrow days, before I had that same setup stop cold on a 130+ inch buck's shoulder. I had to learn the hard way. Those are the lessons that stick with me.

 

[NMSbowhunter]

Here's another doe from a few years later, post heavy arrow work up. Another 18ish yard shot. Doe spun at the shot and received the arrow in the neck shoulder junction. They sometimes move. Arrow penetrated through the neck and came out spot on just behind the shoulder. She ran a short way, about 20 yards, and turned back to look. She got dizzy and tipped over before she could figure out what she was upset about. This doe was about 115 to 120 pounds.

But wait, there's more. The arrow then went on after passing through her and the broadhead stuck up half its length a tree. Suppose the doe spun and I hit her square in the scapula? How about the ball joint or the spine? I think I would have been OK.

 

[Weldabeast]

The splatter on the trunk is very satisfying.....never seen it in ur avatar since it's smaller pic.

I had very similar just opposite....arrow entered by the hip bone and exited where the neck and head come together....almost full length pass thru...3 broke ribs and broken front shoulder

 

[GeoFish]

[QUOTE="NMSbowhunter, post: 635131, member: The arrow then went on after passing through her and the broadhead stuck up half its length a tree.
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Broadhead stuck in tree, I hate it when that happens, LOL.